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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@yandex.ru>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Tomasz Chmielewski" <mangoo@wpkg.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>,
	ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com, jwboyer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:17:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F332FA.9000603@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080402062543.GA5950@1wt.eu>

Willy Tarreau wrote:
> One of the problem is that unless you crash-test your flash cards, you will
> never know if their wear-leveling algorithm is fine or not. And I suspect
> that nowadays, due to very large consumer demand, flash cards price drop
> at the cost of reliability. I think that most of those not flagged
> "industrial-grade" do absolutely zero wear-leveling, because they are sold
> to people using them in digital cameras, and they will never kill their
> device with such a usage.

Sure, I know about this problem. My point was that in this case it is wiser
to use bare flash and put JFFS2 on it, instead of using this black box
MMC/etc and then put JFFS2 on it.

> I'm certainly not the only one with this requirement. A lot of embedded
> motherboards come with IDE compactflash connectors. This is very convenient,
> but if you need to keep informations between reboots, you have to write to
> the device anyway. If you need to do that very often, either you pray for
> the device to be very reliable, or you take all the chances on your side
> by adding your own wear-leveling "just in case".

OK. Fair enough. Although stuff exists, but this does not necessarily mean
this a good design :-)

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-02  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-01  8:02 Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01  8:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:03   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:09     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:31       ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:39   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01  9:57     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 14:17       ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-02 14:22         ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:06   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 11:23     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 16:27       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-01 21:26         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02  4:47           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02  6:25             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02  7:17               ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2008-04-09 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-09 21:32   ` Jörn Engel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-03-27 14:55 [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 12:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-31 12:47   ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-31 13:20     ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  5:26       ` UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  5:28         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  5:56         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:25           ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:39             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:51               ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:17                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:19         ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:46           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:16             ` Jörn Engel

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