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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] 64-bit futexes: Intro
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:38:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4840D63F.2090407@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805302116440.3141@woody.linux-foundation.org>

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Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Is it possible? I dunno.

Once again not without limitations which are too low.  The main problem
is that there is far more information needed on the reader side.  There
are two counters and a number of bits for state information.  Which
means the counters can be at most 14 bits in size.

A counter this low also means I cannot unconditionally increment them
(since there can be more than 2^14 threads sharing one page).  This
means you get in the cache line race I described in the last mail.  You
first have to load a word and then perform a the write operation while
at the same time other threads competing with you for the same cache line.


> I personally suspect it is. I also suspect you 
> didn't even try.

I have to disappoint you.  I thought of that and had to reject it.

- --
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-31  4:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-31  1:27 Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-31  2:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-31  3:14   ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-31  3:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-31  4:04       ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-31  4:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-31  4:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-31  4:38             ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2008-05-31  4:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-31 22:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-31 22:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 18:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 20:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 23:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-03  3:24                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04 19:57                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 20:38                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-05  1:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-05  1:58                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-05  3:08                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-05  4:29                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-05  1:45                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-06  1:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-06  3:37                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-06 11:53                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-06 15:01                           ` Linus Torvalds

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