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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Merkey's Kernel Debugger
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:37:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4899A931.2020701@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4899A313.7020708@tmr.com>

Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> writes:
>>> and we already have kgdb so you have to also explain why you
>>> can't improve kgdb in the areas it trails mdb.
>>>
>>> But the ideal outcome would be if you could contribute patches to
>>> kgdb to the point where it is as good as mdb. It is already in the
>>
> That idea sounds familiar, the "suspend2" response, when something new 
> and significantly different is offered, instead of putting it in and 
> letting people choose in configuration, take the position that what is 
> there is good enough, and if the author of the new solution will just 
> drop all their ideas and slap some band-aids on the existing code it 
> will be "gooder enough" without actually offering people a choice of 
> something different.

To be fair, choice in "leaf" features like a debugger is not entirely 
comparable to choice in central features.  If the infrastructure does 
not support all use cases reasonably well, its better to fix the 
infrastructure or replace it by a working one, rather than adding a 
second infrastructure which is also not general enough.

In this case:  Make a side-by-side comparison of features and 
shortcomings of the available debuggers (as in Andi's response), then 
decide how the best of both worlds can be achieved + used + maintained 
most easily --- by having both side-by-side, or by taking over some or 
all of one's features into the other.  Either way requires contributors 
to be interested.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-==--- =--- --==-
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-06 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-03 17:22 jmerkey
     [not found] ` <17494.166.70.238.46.1217784156.squirrel@webmail.wolfmountaingroup.com >
2008-08-03 19:36   ` jmerkey
2008-08-03 20:00     ` Rene Herman
2008-08-04  0:14     ` Josh Boyer
2008-08-04  2:19       ` jmerkey
2008-08-04 13:41         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-04 14:33           ` jmerkey
2008-08-05  9:41             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-05 15:02               ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 15:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 15:19                   ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 15:45                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 15:32                       ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 16:38                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 16:45                           ` jmerkey
2008-08-06 19:47                           ` Rene Herman
2008-08-05 16:04                     ` Chris Friesen
2008-08-05 16:39                       ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 20:43                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-08-07 21:02                           ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 21:04                             ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 17:21                     ` Paul Mundt
2008-08-05 17:10                       ` jmerkey
2008-08-06  3:08                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06  5:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-07 17:45                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-07 17:53                         ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 18:08                         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-07 19:10                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-07 19:47                             ` Jay Lan
2008-08-07 19:34                               ` jmerkey
2008-08-08  1:26                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-07 20:06                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 20:07                                 ` Bernhard Walle
2008-08-07 20:09                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 20:11                                     ` Bernhard Walle
2008-08-07 22:28                                 ` Keith Owens
2008-08-08  1:15                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-08  2:29                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 12:08                                       ` Cliff Wickman
2008-08-08 12:20                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 13:19                                           ` jmerkey
2008-08-08 15:06                                           ` Cliff Wickman
2008-08-08 13:29                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-08 14:50                                         ` Cliff Wickman
2008-08-08 16:57                                           ` Jay Lan
2008-08-11 12:56                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-08 18:03                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 13:02                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-11 13:11                                             ` jmerkey
2008-08-11 13:50                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 16:16                                                 ` jmerkey
2008-08-18  9:12                                             ` Takenori Nagano
2008-08-08  8:40                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 13:11                     ` Bill Davidsen
2008-08-06 13:37                       ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2008-08-06 13:54                       ` Olivier Galibert
2008-08-06 13:45                         ` jmerkey
2008-08-06 14:16                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 17:21                     ` Jason Wessel
2008-08-06 18:57                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 12:45                         ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 15:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 16:07                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 15:52                             ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 17:04                               ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-08  0:28                           ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-11 10:36 ` jidong xiao

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