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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Yannik Sembritzki <yannik@sembritzki.me>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	"Justin M. Forbes" <jforbes@redhat.com>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix kexec forbidding kernels signed with custom platform keys to boot
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:13:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4911.1534421610@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180815185812.GC29541@redhat.com>

Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> wrote:

> Now this patch changed it to trusting builtin_trusted_keys by default,
> and all the other keys go to secondary_trusted_keys kerying. And that
> probably explains why it broke.
> 
> So checking for keys in both the keyrings makes sense to me. 
> 
> I am wondering why did we have to split this keyring to begin with. 
> So there are use cases where we want to trust builtin keys but
> not the ones which came from other places (UEFI secure boot db, or
> user loaded one)?

IMA and the IMA authors.  They want everything separated into separate
keyrings out by source and usage as far as I can tell - though this just makes
it harder to use things.

One advantage of splitting things, though, is that you don't lose the built-in
keys if you load a conflicting one from another source.

One thing that's on my to-do list is to mark keys with the provenance, perhaps
something like:

	enum key_source {
	     key_added_by_user,
	     key_built_in_for_modsign,
	     key_added_to_image,
	     key_from_uefi_db,
	     key_from_uefi_dbx,
	     key_from_tpm,
	};

	struct key {
		...
		enum key_source	source;
	};

Then:

 (1) pass this information to LSMs to make use of

 (2) Make the verification code take a bitmask of what keys are permitted for
     the task at hand.

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-16 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-15 10:00 Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 17:27   ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 17:37     ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 17:42     ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 18:44       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 18:58       ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 19:06         ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 19:49           ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 20:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 20:53               ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:08               ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:13                 ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:31                   ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:40                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:50                       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:57                     ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 22:14                       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:52                   ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 21:57                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-16 13:51             ` David Howells
2018-08-16 15:16               ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 15:42                 ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 15:49               ` David Howells
2018-08-16 15:56                 ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 16:56                   ` David Laight
2018-08-16 17:15                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 20:31                 ` David Howells
2018-08-17  0:07                   ` James Bottomley
2018-08-17  8:24                   ` David Howells
2018-08-17 14:58                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-17 15:42                       ` Justin Forbes
2018-08-17 16:02                         ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16  0:52       ` Dave Young
2018-08-16  0:55         ` Dave Young
2018-08-16 12:13       ` David Howells [this message]
2018-08-16 14:22         ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 14:43         ` David Howells
2018-08-16 14:59           ` James Bottomley
2018-08-17 17:00             ` Alan Cox
2018-08-15 17:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 18:19       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 18:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 19:42           ` [PATCH 0/2] Fix kexec forbidding kernels signed with keys in the secondary keyring " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-16 18:02             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 19:42           ` [PATCH 1/2] " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 19:42           ` [PATCH 2/2] Replace magic for trusting the secondary keyring with #define Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:14             ` kbuild test robot
2018-08-15 21:19               ` [PATCH 2/2] [FIXED] " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 22:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 22:07                   ` [PATCH 2/2] [FIXED v2] " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-16  1:11                     ` Dave Young
2018-08-16  7:43                       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-16  8:02                         ` Dave Young
2018-08-16  8:20                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-08-16 12:46                       ` Vivek Goyal

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