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From: "Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao" <fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp>
To: Ryo Tsuruta <ryov@valinux.co.jp>
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Subject: Block I/O tracking (was Re: [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:27:25 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E8679D.8010405@oss.ntt.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090417.162201.183038478.ryov@valinux.co.jp>

Ryo Tsuruta wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:24:33 +0900
> 
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:49:43 +0900
>> Takuya Yoshikawa <yoshikawa.takuya@oss.ntt.co.jp> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a few question.
>>>    - I have not yet fully understood how your controller are using
>>>      bio_cgroup. If my view is wrong please tell me.
>>>
>>> o In my view, bio_cgroup's implementation strongly depends on
>>>    page_cgoup's. Could you explain for what purpose does this
>>>    functionality itself should be implemented as cgroup subsystem?
>>>    Using page_cgoup and implementing tracking APIs is not enough?
>> I'll definitely do "Nack" to add full bio-cgroup members to page_cgroup.
>> Now, page_cgroup is 40bytes(in 64bit arch.) And all of them are allocated at
>> boot time as memmap. (and add member to struct page is much harder ;)
>>
>> IIUC, feature for "tracking bio" is just necesary for pages for I/O.
>> So, I think it's much better to add misc. information to struct bio not to the page.
>> But, if people want to add "small hint" to struct page or struct page_cgroup
>> for tracking buffered I/O, I'll give you help as much as I can.
>> Maybe using "unused bits" in page_cgroup->flags is a choice with no overhead.
> 
> In the case where the bio-cgroup data is allocated dynamically,
>    - Sometimes quite a large amount of memory get marked dirty.
>      In this case it requires more kernel memory than that of the
>      current implementation.
>    - The operation is expansive due to memory allocations and exclusive
>      controls by such as spinlocks.
> 
> In the case where the bio-cgroup data is allocated by delayed allocation, 
>   - It makes the operation complicated and expensive, because
>     sometimes a bio has to be created in the context of other
>     processes, such as aio and swap-out operation.
> 
> I'd prefer a simple and lightweight implementation. bio-cgroup only
> needs 4bytes unlike memory controller. The reason why bio-cgroup chose
> this approach is to minimize the overhead.

Elaborating on Yoshikawa-san's comment, I would like to propose a
generic I/O tracking mechanism that is not tied to all the cgroup
paraphernalia. This approach has several advantages:

- By using this functionality, existing I/O schedulers (well, some
relatively minor changes would be needed) would be able to schedule
buffered I/O properly.

- The amount of memory consumed to do the tracking could be
optimized according to the kernel configuration (do we really
need struct page_cgroup when the cgroup memory controller or all
of the cgroup infrastructure has been configured out?).

The I/O tracking functionality would look something like the following:

- Create an API to acquire the I/O context of a certain page, which is
cgroup independent. For discussion purposes, I will assume that the
I/O context of a page is the io_context of the task that dirtied the
page (this can be changed if deemed necessary, though).

- When cgroups are not being used, pages would be tracked using a
pfn-indexed array of struct io_context (à la memcg's array of
struct page_cgroup).

- When cgroups are activated but the memory controller is not, we
would have a pfn-indexed array of struct blkio_cgroup, which would
have both a pointer to the corresponding io_context of the page and a
reference to the cgroup it belongs to (most likely using css_id). The
API offered by the I/O tracking mechanism would be extended so that
the kernel can easily obtain not only the per-task io_context but also
the cgroup a certain page belongs to. Please notice that by doing this
we have all the information we need to schedule buffered I/O both at
the cgroup-level and the task-level. From the memory usage point of
view, memory controller-specific bits would be gone and to top it all
we save one indirection level (since struct page_cgroup would be out
of the picture).

- When the memory controller is active we would have the
pfn-indexed array of struct page_cgroup we have know plus a
reference to the corresponding cgroup and io_context (yes, I
still want to do proper scheduling of buffered I/O within a
cgroup).

- Finally, since bio entering the block layer can generate additional
bios it is necessary to pass the I/O context information of original
bio down to the new bios. For that stacking devices such as dm and
those of that ilk will have to be modified. To improve performance I/O
context information would be cached in bios (to achieve this we have
to ensure that all bios that enter the block layer have the right I/O
context information attached to it).

Yoshikawa-san and myself have been working on a patch-set that
implements just this and we have reached that point where the kernel
does not panic right after booting:), so we will be sending patches soon
(hopefully this weekend).

Any thoughts?

Regards,

Fernando

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-17 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-14 20:21 [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 1/9] io-throttle documentation Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  1:24   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  1:56     ` Li Zefan
2009-04-17 10:25       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 10:41         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 11:35         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-04-20  9:38         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-20 15:00           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-27 10:45             ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-27 12:15               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-27 21:56               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  7:34     ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-04-17  7:43       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:29         ` Gui Jianfeng
2009-04-17  9:55     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 17:39   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-17 23:12     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 13:42       ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-19 15:47         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-20 21:28           ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-20 22:05             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  1:08               ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21  8:37                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 14:23                   ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21 18:29                     ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-21 21:36                       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 21:28                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-19 13:54       ` Vivek Goyal
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 2/9] res_counter: introduce ratelimiting attributes Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller Andrea Righi
2009-04-15  2:15   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-15  9:37     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 12:38       ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-15 13:23         ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 23:58           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-16 10:42             ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-16 12:00               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  0:04               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  9:44                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-15 13:07     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-16 22:29   ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  0:20     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  0:44       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  1:44         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  4:15           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  7:48             ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  1:50         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-17  9:40     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  1:49   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2009-04-17  2:24     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  7:22       ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17  8:00         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  8:48           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17  8:51             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-17 11:27         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao [this message]
2009-04-17 22:09           ` Block I/O tracking (was Re: [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller) Andrea Righi
2009-04-17  7:32     ` [PATCH 3/9] bio-cgroup controller Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-17 10:22   ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-20 11:35     ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-20 14:56       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 11:39         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2009-04-21 15:31         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 4/9] support checking of cgroup subsystem dependencies Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 5/9] io-throttle controller infrastructure Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 6/9] kiothrottled: throttle buffered (writeback) IO Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 7/9] io-throttle instrumentation Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 8/9] export per-task io-throttle statistics to userspace Andrea Righi
2009-04-14 20:21 ` [PATCH 9/9] ext3: do not throttle metadata and journal IO Andrea Righi
2009-04-17 12:38   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-17 12:50     ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-17 14:39       ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21  0:18         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21  8:30           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 14:06             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 14:31               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-21 16:35                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 17:23                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 17:46                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 18:14                       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-21 19:14                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-21 20:49                           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22  0:33                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22  1:21                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-22 10:22                                 ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23  0:05                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  1:22                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23  2:54                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  4:35                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23  4:58                                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-23  5:37                                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-23  9:44                                           ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-23 12:17                                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 12:27                                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-23 21:13                                               ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-24  0:26                                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-24  5:14                                           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-23 10:03                                     ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-22  3:30                           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-24 15:10               ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-16 22:24 ` [PATCH 0/9] cgroup: io-throttle controller (v13) Andrew Morton
2009-04-17  9:37   ` Andrea Righi
2009-04-30 13:20 ` Alan D. Brunelle
2009-05-01 11:11   ` Andrea Righi

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