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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Hitoshi Mitake <h.mitake@gmail.com>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de, rpjday@crashcourse.ca,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:42:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A0B30D0.4060806@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6b9f31a0905122232s2d23b4e3h6e447c3fa5c29ee6@mail.gmail.com>

Hitoshi Mitake wrote:
> I think it's good time to decide making all architectures
> which have readq/writeq provide HAVE_READQ/HAVE_WRITEQ or not.
> 
> Adding HAVE_READQ/HAVE_WRITEQ to Kconfig of architectures needs
> agreement of all maintainers of these.
> 
> But, David Miller, maintainer of SPARC architecture, acked Roland's patch
> because of the possibility of bugs non-atomicity of readq/writeq of
> x86-32 will cause.
> 
> And, Jeff Garzik said that he saw zero justification for API removal.
> 
> Which way should we choose?
> Remove readq/writeq from x86-32?
> Or add HAVE... to all architectures with readq/writeq?

To repeat what has already been stated, each case was re-evaluated: 
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124103527326835&w=2

Roland's patch was acked, apparently, _in spite of_ the commonly 
accepted readq() definition already being in use!

Thusfar, I see two things:

(1) years of history has shown that non-atomic readq/writeq on 32-bit 
platforms has been sufficient, based on testing and experience.  In 
fact, in niu's case, a common readq/writeq would have PREVENTED a bug.

(2) unspecified fears continue to linger about non-atomicity

We should not base decisions on fear, particularly when the weight of 
evidence and experience points in the other direction.

	Jeff




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-13 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-19 19:45 arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars Robert P. J. Day
2009-04-19 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-19 21:46   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-19 22:02     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-19 22:35       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20  0:56         ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20  2:08           ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-20  0:53     ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20  1:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-20 10:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 14:47           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-20 16:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21  8:33               ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21  8:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21  8:57                   ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 15:44                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:07                   ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 17:19                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:23                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 19:09                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 21:11                           ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 21:16                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-22  0:31                               ` David Miller
2009-04-28 19:05                                 ` [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit Roland Dreier
2009-04-29  5:12                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-29 11:56                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-29 12:10                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:25                                         ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 19:59                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13  5:32                                             ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:19                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:39                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 23:39                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14  0:49                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-14  7:19                                                       ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-15 23:44                                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-17  7:12                                                           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-17  8:06                                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-21 11:35                                                               ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-21 11:49                                                                 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:42                                               ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-05-13 21:05                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 21:30                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:31                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:54                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:06                                                 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-13 22:29                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:21                                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-22  0:27                           ` arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars David Miller
2009-04-22  0:25                     ` David Miller

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