From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Hitoshi Mitake <h.mitake@gmail.com>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de, rpjday@crashcourse.ca,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:42:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A0B30D0.4060806@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6b9f31a0905122232s2d23b4e3h6e447c3fa5c29ee6@mail.gmail.com>
Hitoshi Mitake wrote:
> I think it's good time to decide making all architectures
> which have readq/writeq provide HAVE_READQ/HAVE_WRITEQ or not.
>
> Adding HAVE_READQ/HAVE_WRITEQ to Kconfig of architectures needs
> agreement of all maintainers of these.
>
> But, David Miller, maintainer of SPARC architecture, acked Roland's patch
> because of the possibility of bugs non-atomicity of readq/writeq of
> x86-32 will cause.
>
> And, Jeff Garzik said that he saw zero justification for API removal.
>
> Which way should we choose?
> Remove readq/writeq from x86-32?
> Or add HAVE... to all architectures with readq/writeq?
To repeat what has already been stated, each case was re-evaluated:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124103527326835&w=2
Roland's patch was acked, apparently, _in spite of_ the commonly
accepted readq() definition already being in use!
Thusfar, I see two things:
(1) years of history has shown that non-atomic readq/writeq on 32-bit
platforms has been sufficient, based on testing and experience. In
fact, in niu's case, a common readq/writeq would have PREVENTED a bug.
(2) unspecified fears continue to linger about non-atomicity
We should not base decisions on fear, particularly when the weight of
evidence and experience points in the other direction.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-13 20:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-19 19:45 arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars Robert P. J. Day
2009-04-19 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-19 21:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-19 22:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-19 22:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 0:56 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20 2:08 ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-20 0:53 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20 1:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-20 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 14:47 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-20 16:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 8:33 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 8:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 8:57 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 15:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:07 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 17:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:23 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 19:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 21:11 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-22 0:31 ` David Miller
2009-04-28 19:05 ` [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 5:12 ` David Miller
2009-04-29 11:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-29 12:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:25 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 19:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 5:32 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14 0:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-14 7:19 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-15 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-17 7:12 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-17 8:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-21 11:35 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-21 11:49 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:42 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-05-13 21:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 21:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:06 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-13 22:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:21 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-22 0:27 ` arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars David Miller
2009-04-22 0:25 ` David Miller
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