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From: Ian Molton <ian.molton@collabora.co.uk>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient  drivers
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:18:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B14DF79.8010908@collabora.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1259606656.29740.48.camel@calx>

Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:28 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
>> Rusty Russell wrote:
>>
>>> And might as well just #defube RNG_BUFFSIZE SMP_CACHE_BYTES (or use
>>> SMP_CACHE_BYTES here and sizeof() elsewhere).
>> This can lead to a rather small (4 byte) buffer on some systems, however
>> I don't know if in practice a tiny buffer or a big one would be better
>> for performance on those machines. I guess if its a problem someone can
>> patch the code to allocate a minimum of (say) 16 bytes in future...
> 
> Hmmm, I think this was bad advice from Rusty.

Not entirely...

> The goal is to size and align the buffer so that we know it will always
> work. Thus 64 bytes (always big enough but not so big that anyone will
> complain) and cache aligned (makes stupid things like Via Padlock happy
> -on Vias-). 

yep. Although making it the size of a cacheline makes sense on /most/
modern architectures - 32 bytes is a very common size - I think the
(current) worst case is one of the drivers wants to dump 3 u64s in one
go. virtio-rng will take what it can...

> Rusty's suggestion could easily have us in trouble if some driver wants
> to hand us a mere 64 bits on an architecture with 4-byte cache alignment
> but is otherwise perfectly happy with 64-bit stores. 

How about SNP_CACHE_BYTES or if less, then 32 bytes minimum? Or just
stick with 64 bytes. Either way works for me.

-Ian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-01  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <1259084901.17871.624.camel@calx>
     [not found]     ` <200911251135.41871.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
     [not found]       ` <4B0D03FC.40406@collabora.co.uk>
2009-11-25 19:27         ` hw_random fixes Matt Mackall
2009-11-25 20:43           ` Ian Molton
2009-11-26  0:25           ` Ian Molton
2009-11-26  0:25             ` [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient drivers Ian Molton
2009-11-26  0:25               ` [PATCH 2/2] virtio: Convert virtio-rng to the new API Ian Molton
2009-11-28 10:00                 ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-30  9:55                   ` Ian Molton
2009-11-26  1:03               ` [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient drivers Matt Mackall
2009-11-26 10:49                 ` Ian Molton
2009-11-26 10:49                   ` [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient drivers Ian Molton
2009-11-26 11:38                   ` Matt Mackall
2009-11-26 11:48                     ` Re: Ian Molton
2009-11-27 22:54                       ` Re: Matt Mackall
2009-11-28  0:51                         ` rng updates Ian Molton
2009-11-28 10:05                 ` [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient drivers Rusty Russell
2009-11-30 10:28                   ` Ian Molton
2009-11-30 18:44                     ` Matt Mackall
2009-12-01  3:08                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-12-01  9:23                         ` Ian Molton
2009-12-01  9:18                       ` Ian Molton [this message]
2009-11-26  3:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-11-26  0:44           ` Ian Molton
2009-11-26  0:44             ` [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient drivers Ian Molton
2009-11-26  0:44               ` [PATCH 2/2] virtio: Convert virtio-rng to the new API Ian Molton
2009-11-30 10:38                 ` hw_random update Ian Molton
2009-11-30 10:38                   ` [PATCH 1/2] hw_random: core updates to allow more efficient drivers Ian Molton
2009-11-30 10:38                     ` [PATCH 2/2] virtio: Convert virtio-rng to the new API Ian Molton
2009-12-01  7:27                       ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-01  9:29                         ` Ian Molton

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