From: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: zach.brown@oracle.com, jens.axboe@oracle.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] ipc semaphores: reduce ipc_lock contention in semtimedop
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:57:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF02402.8060204@colorfullife.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100413185756.GE5683@laptop>
On 04/13/2010 08:57 PM, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 02:19:37PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
>
>> I don't see anything in the docs about the FIFO order. I could add an
>> extra sort on sequence number pretty easily, but is the starvation case
>> really that bad?
>>
> Yes, because it's not just a theoretical livelock, it can be basically
> a certainty, given the right pattern of semops.
>
> You could have two mostly-independent groups of processes, each taking
> and releasing a different sem, which are always contended (eg. if it is
> being used for a producer-consumer type situation, or even just mutual
> exclusion with high contention).
>
> Then you could have some overall management process for example which
> tries to take both sems. It will never get it.
>
>
The management process won't get the sem on Linux either:
Linux implements FIFO, but there is no protection at all against starvation.
If I understand the benchmark numbers correctly, a 4-core, 2 GHz Phenom
is able to do ~ 2 million semaphore operations per second in one
semaphore array.
That's the limit - cache line trashing on the sma structure prevent
higher numbers.
For a NUMA system, the limit is probably lower.
Chris:
Do you have an estimate how many semop() your app will perform in one array?
Perhaps we should really remove the per-array list, sma->sem_perm.lock
and sma->sem_otime.
--
Manfred
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-16 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-12 18:49 [PATCH RFC] Optimize semtimedop Chris Mason
2010-04-12 18:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] ipc semaphores: reduce ipc_lock contention in semtimedop Chris Mason
2010-04-13 17:15 ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-13 17:39 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 18:09 ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-13 18:19 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 18:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-13 19:01 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 19:25 ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-13 19:38 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 20:05 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-16 16:57 ` Manfred Spraul [this message]
2010-05-16 22:40 ` Chris Mason
2010-05-17 7:20 ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-14 16:16 ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-14 17:33 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14 19:11 ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-14 19:50 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-15 16:33 ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-15 16:34 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 18:24 ` Zach Brown
2010-04-16 11:26 ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-16 11:45 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-12 18:49 ` [PATCH 2/2] ipc semaphores: order wakeups based on waiter CPU Chris Mason
2010-04-17 10:24 ` Manfred Spraul
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