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From: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: zach.brown@oracle.com, jens.axboe@oracle.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] ipc semaphores: reduce ipc_lock contention in semtimedop
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:57:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF02402.8060204@colorfullife.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100413185756.GE5683@laptop>

On 04/13/2010 08:57 PM, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 02:19:37PM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
>    
>> I don't see anything in the docs about the FIFO order.  I could add an
>> extra sort on sequence number pretty easily, but is the starvation case
>> really that bad?
>>      
> Yes, because it's not just a theoretical livelock, it can be basically
> a certainty, given the right pattern of semops.
>
> You could have two mostly-independent groups of processes, each taking
> and releasing a different sem, which are always contended (eg. if it is
> being used for a producer-consumer type situation, or even just mutual
> exclusion with high contention).
>
> Then you could have some overall management process for example which
> tries to take both sems. It will never get it.
>
>    
The management process won't get the sem on Linux either:
Linux implements FIFO, but there is no protection at all against starvation.

If I understand the benchmark numbers correctly, a 4-core, 2 GHz Phenom 
is able to do ~ 2 million semaphore operations per second in one 
semaphore array.
That's the limit - cache line trashing on the sma structure prevent 
higher numbers.

For a NUMA system, the limit is probably lower.

Chris:
Do you have an estimate how many semop() your app will perform in one array?

Perhaps we should really remove the per-array list, sma->sem_perm.lock 
and sma->sem_otime.

--
     Manfred

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-16 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-12 18:49 [PATCH RFC] Optimize semtimedop Chris Mason
2010-04-12 18:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] ipc semaphores: reduce ipc_lock contention in semtimedop Chris Mason
2010-04-13 17:15   ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-13 17:39     ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 18:09       ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-13 18:19         ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 18:57           ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-13 19:01             ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 19:25               ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-13 19:38                 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 20:05                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-16 16:57             ` Manfred Spraul [this message]
2010-05-16 22:40               ` Chris Mason
2010-05-17  7:20               ` Nick Piggin
2010-04-14 16:16           ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-14 17:33             ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14 19:11               ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-14 19:50                 ` Chris Mason
2010-04-15 16:33                   ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-15 16:34                     ` Chris Mason
2010-04-13 18:24         ` Zach Brown
2010-04-16 11:26   ` Manfred Spraul
2010-04-16 11:45     ` Chris Mason
2010-04-12 18:49 ` [PATCH 2/2] ipc semaphores: order wakeups based on waiter CPU Chris Mason
2010-04-17 10:24   ` Manfred Spraul

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