From: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca,
josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
eric.dumazet@gmail.com, darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
patches@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2 RFC] srcu: implement Peter's checking algorithm
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:31:22 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4EDF7A.6060607@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120229135508.GB2385@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On 02/29/2012 09:55 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 06:07:32PM +0800, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>> On 02/28/2012 09:47 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 09:51:22AM +0800, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>>>> On 02/28/2012 02:30 AM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 04:01:04PM +0800, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>>>>>> >From 40724998e2d121c2b5a5bd75114625cfd9d4f9a9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>>>>>> From: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:22:47 +0800
>>>>>> Subject: [PATCH 2/2] srcu: implement Peter's checking algorithm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This patch implement the algorithm as Peter's:
>>>>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/2/1/119
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o Make the checking lock-free and we can perform parallel checking,
>>>>>> Although almost parallel checking makes no sense, but we need it
>>>>>> when 1) the original checking task is preempted for long, 2)
>>>>>> sychronize_srcu_expedited(), 3) avoid lock(see next)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o Since it is lock-free, we save a mutex in state machine for
>>>>>> call_srcu().
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o Remove the SRCU_REF_MASK and remove the coupling with the flipping.
>>>>>> (so we can remove the preempt_disable() in future, but use
>>>>>> __this_cpu_inc() instead.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o reduce a smp_mb(), simplify the comments and make the smp_mb() pairs
>>>>>> more intuitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Lai,
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting approach!
>>>>>
>>>>> What happens given the following sequence of events?
>>>>>
>>>>> o CPU 0 in srcu_readers_active_idx_check() invokes
>>>>> srcu_readers_seq_idx(), getting some number back.
>>>>>
>>>>> o CPU 0 invokes srcu_readers_active_idx(), summing the
>>>>> ->c[] array up through CPU 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> o CPU 1 invokes __srcu_read_lock(), and increments its counter
>>>>> but not yet its ->seq[] element.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any __srcu_read_lock() whose increment of active counter is not seen
>>>> by srcu_readers_active_idx() is considerred as
>>>> "reader-started-after-this-srcu_readers_active_idx_check()",
>>>> We don't need to wait.
>>>>
>>>> As you said, this srcu C.S 's increment seq is not seen by above
>>>> srcu_readers_seq_idx().
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> o CPU 0 completes its summing of the ->c[] array, incorrectly
>>>>> obtaining zero.
>>>>>
>>>>> o CPU 0 invokes srcu_readers_seq_idx(), getting the same
>>>>> number back that it got last time.
>>>>
>>>> If it incorrectly get zero, it means __srcu_read_unlock() is seen
>>>> in srcu_readers_active_idx(), and it means the increment of
>>>> seq is seen in this srcu_readers_seq_idx(), it is different
>>>> from the above seq that it got last time.
>>>>
>>>> increment of seq is not seen by above srcu_readers_seq_idx(),
>>>> but is seen by later one, so the two returned seq is different,
>>>> this is the core of Peter's algorithm, and this was written
>>>> in the comments(Sorry for my bad English). Or maybe I miss
>>>> your means in this mail.
>>>
>>> OK, good, this analysis agrees with what I was thinking.
>>>
>>> So my next question is about the lock freedom. This lock freedom has to
>>> be limited in nature and carefully implemented. The reasons for this are:
>>>
>>> 1. Readers can block in any case, which can of course block both
>>> synchronize_srcu_expedited() and synchronize_srcu().
>>>
>>> 2. Because only one CPU at a time can be incrementing ->completed,
>>> some sort of lock with preemption disabling will of course be
>>> needed. Alternatively, an rt_mutex could be used for its
>>> priority-inheritance properties.
>>>
>>> 3. Once some CPU has incremented ->completed, all CPUs that might
>>> still be summing up the old indexes must stop. If they don't,
>>> they might incorrectly call a too-short grace period in case of
>>> ->seq[]-sum overflow on 32-bit systems.
>>>
>>> Or did you have something else in mind?
>>
>> When flip happens when check_zero, this check_zero will no be
>> committed even it is success.
>
> But if the CPU in check_zero isn't blocking the grace period, then
> ->completed could overflow while that CPU was preempted. Then how
> would this CPU know that the flip had happened?
as you said, check the ->completed.
but disable the overflow for ->completed.
there is a spinlock for srcu_struct(including locking for flipping)
1) assume we need to wait on widx
2) use srcu_read_lock() to hold a reference of the 1-widx active counter
3) release the spinlock
4) do_check_zero
5) gain the spinlock
6) srcu_read_unlock()
7) if ->completed is not changed, and there is no other later check_zero which
is committed earlier than us, we will commit our check_zero if we success.
too complicated.
Thanks,
Lai
>
>> I play too much with lock-free for call_srcu(), the code becomes complicated,
>> I just give up lock-free for call_srcu(), the main aim of call_srcu() is simple.
>
> Makes sense to me!
>
>> (But I still like Peter's approach, it has some other good thing
>> besides lock-free-checking, if you don't like it, I will send
>> another patch to fix srcu_readers_active())
>
> Try them both and check their performance &c. If within espilon of
> each other, pick whichever one you prefer.
>
> Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-01 2:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-13 2:09 [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu] rcu: direct algorithmic SRCU implementation Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-15 12:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 6:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-16 10:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-16 10:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 11:14 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-15 14:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-15 14:51 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-16 6:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-16 11:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-16 11:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 12:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-16 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 14:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-16 14:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 15:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-20 7:15 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-20 17:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-21 1:11 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-21 1:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-21 8:44 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-21 17:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-22 9:29 ` [PATCH 1/3 RFC paul/rcu/srcu] srcu: Remove fast check path Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-22 9:29 ` [PATCH 2/3 RFC paul/rcu/srcu] srcu: only increase the upper bit for srcu_read_lock() Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-22 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 21:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-22 21:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-22 21:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-23 1:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-22 9:29 ` [PATCH 3/3 RFC paul/rcu/srcu] srcu: flip only once for every grace period Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-23 1:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-24 8:06 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-24 20:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-27 8:01 ` [PATCH 1/2 RFC] srcu: change the comments of the wait algorithm Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-27 8:01 ` [PATCH 2/2 RFC] srcu: implement Peter's checking algorithm Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-27 18:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-28 1:51 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-28 13:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-29 10:07 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-02-29 13:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-01 2:31 ` Lai Jiangshan [this message]
2012-03-01 13:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-10 3:41 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 8:42 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6 paul/rcu/srcu] srcu: implement call_srcu() Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 9:57 ` [PATCH 1/6] remove unused srcu_barrier() Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 9:57 ` [PATCH 2/6] Don't touch the snap in srcu_readers_active() Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-08 19:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-06 9:57 ` [PATCH 3/6] use "int trycount" instead of "bool expedited" Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-08 19:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-06 9:57 ` [PATCH 4/6] remove flip_idx_and_wait() Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 10:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-07 3:54 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5 single-thread-version] implement per-domain single-thread state machine call_srcu() Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-08 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-08 14:17 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-08 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-08 20:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-10 3:16 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-12 18:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-14 7:47 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-04-10 20:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-06 9:57 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] implement per-cpu&per-domain " Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 10:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-08 19:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-06 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 15:17 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-08 19:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-10 10:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 17:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-06 11:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 15:12 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 15:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-08 19:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-10 3:32 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-10 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-12 17:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 18:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-12 20:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-12 23:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-06 15:26 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 15:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 11:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 11:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 11:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 11:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 11:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 14:50 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 11:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 14:44 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-06 15:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-07 6:44 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-07 8:10 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-03-07 9:21 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 14:47 ` Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-06 9:57 ` [PATCH 6/6] add srcu torture test Lai Jiangshan
2012-03-08 19:03 ` [PATCH 1/6] remove unused srcu_barrier() Paul E. McKenney
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=4F4EDF7A.6060607@cn.fujitsu.com \
--to=laijs@cn.fujitsu.com \
--cc=Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=darren@dvhart.com \
--cc=dhowells@redhat.com \
--cc=dipankar@in.ibm.com \
--cc=eric.dumazet@gmail.com \
--cc=fweisbec@gmail.com \
--cc=josh@joshtriplett.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca \
--cc=mingo@elte.hu \
--cc=niv@us.ibm.com \
--cc=patches@linaro.org \
--cc=paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=peterz@infradead.org \
--cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
--cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
Powered by JetHome