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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>, Babu Moger <Babu.Moger@amd.com>,
	shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com,
	D Scott Phillips OS <scott@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	carl@os.amperecomputing.com, lcherian@marvell.com,
	bobo.shaobowang@huawei.com, tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	Jamie Iles <quic_jiles@quicinc.com>,
	Xin Hao <xhao@linux.alibaba.com>,
	peternewman@google.com, dfustini@baylibre.com,
	amitsinght@marvell.com, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Rex Nie <rex.nie@jaguarmicro.com>,
	Dave Martin <dave.martin@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/39] x86/resctrl: Use schema type to determine how to parse schema values
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 19:06:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a1da47f-655a-4ba1-9b68-baaad297dda9@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5eea2e6a-f062-4ff4-9d11-87d8af0306dd@intel.com>

Hi Reinette,

On 14/08/2024 04:56, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> On 8/2/24 10:28 AM, James Morse wrote:
>> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/resctrl/core.c b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/resctrl/core.c
>> index 9ca542a8e2d4..57c88e1c2adf 100644
>> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/resctrl/core.c
>> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/resctrl/core.c

>> @@ -192,6 +191,18 @@ enum resctrl_scope {
>>       RESCTRL_L3_NODE,
>>   };
>>   +/**
>> + * enum resctrl_schema_fmt - The format user-space provides for a schema.
>> + * @RESCTRL_SCHEMA_BITMAP:    The schema is a bitmap in hex.
>> + * @RESCTRL_SCHEMA_PERCENTAGE:    The schema is a decimal percentage value.
>> + * @RESCTRL_SCHEMA_MBPS:    The schema is a decimal MBps value.
>> + */
>> +enum resctrl_schema_fmt {
>> +    RESCTRL_SCHEMA_BITMAP,
>> +    RESCTRL_SCHEMA_PERCENTAGE,
>> +    RESCTRL_SCHEMA_MBPS,
>> +};
>> +
> 
> I believe that the choice of RESCTRL_SCHEMA_PERCENTAGE and RESCTRL_SCHEMA_MBPS has
> potential for significant confusion. The closest place to where user space can enter
> a MBps value (which is actually MiBps) is on Intel when resctrl is mounted with mba_MBps,
> and as per above it will have the "RESCTRL_SCHEMA_PERCENTAGE" format.

It was AMD's QOS that I was thinking of. To pick the example from the documentation:
| For example, to allocate 2GB/s limit on the first cache id:
|    MB:0=2048;1=2048;2=2048;3=2048

How does user-space know that its not a percentage? Suck it and see...
If those values aren't in MB/s ... I'm not sure what they are.


The schema format isn't exposed to user-space. (I think we should do that).
I agree if it were, we'd need to report MBps/MiBps for the mba_sc case.


> What is considered
> here as RESCTRL_SCHEMA_MBPS also cannot really be considered as "MBPS" since it is used to
> cover AMD's values that are "multiples of one eighth GB/s". Any new resource that
> _actually_ uses MBPS will thus not be able to use RESCTRL_SCHEMA_MBPS.

Isn't this already covered by the granularity?
AMD platforms are unfortunately reporting '1' as the granularity.
From the 1/8th GB/s it sounds like the granularity should really be 128 MB/s.

Any platform that did have a real MB/s control could report whatever granularity it really
has here.


> Considering that RESCTRL_SCHEMA_PERCENTAGE and RESCTRL_SCHEMA_MBPS use the same parser,
> could "RESCTRL_SCHEMA_RANGE" be more fitting? I acknowledge that it is very generic and
> better
> ideas are welcome. A "range" does seem to be appropriate considering the later patch
> (x86/resctrl:

> Add max_bw to struct resctrl_membw) that codes an explicit max.

Yes because the AMD platforms have a firmware-advertised maximum value, I presume that is
an achievable bandwidth. (otherwise why advertise it to user-space!).
(I'm not sure why data_width is 4 - it looks like that was the hard coded based on one
 platforms limit ... that probably needs fixing too)

But if you had a MBps control, I'm not sure that implies you know what the maximum
achievable bandwidth is. The control may have a range based on some power of two, which is
unrelated to the bandwidth.
In the arm world the hardware never knows what the achievable bandwidth is - that is
something only the SoC designer can work out.


I agree we can parse both values as a range, as resctrl doesn't need to interpret the
values, its just whatever the hardware does.

I did it like this as I'd like to expose "percentage/MBps/bitmap" to user-space so that
control types user-space doesn't recognised can be programmed. If arm64 and riscv each
want to add new schema types, it would be good to do it in a way that is low-impact for
the resctrl filesystem code, and unaware user-space can do something with.
percentage/MBps/bitmap are the control schemes we already have.

The MBps/range difference matters if the 'maximum bandwidth' isn't actually an achievable
number e.g. ~0, then user-space can't treat it as some kind of percentage.


Thanks,

James

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-06 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-02 17:28 [PATCH v4 00/39] x86/resctrl: Move the resctrl filesystem code to /fs/resctrl James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 01/39] x86/resctrl: Fix allocation of cleanest CLOSID on platforms with no monitors James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 02/39] x86/resctrl: Add a helper to avoid reaching into the arch code resource list James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 03/39] x86/resctrl: Remove fflags from struct rdt_resource James Morse
2024-08-14  3:53   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 04/39] x86/resctrl: Use schema type to determine how to parse schema values James Morse
2024-08-14  3:56   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-06 18:06     ` James Morse [this message]
2024-09-16 22:33       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-30 16:42         ` James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 05/39] x86/resctrl: Use schema type to determine the schema format string James Morse
2024-08-14  3:57   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 06/39] x86/resctrl: Move data_width to be a schema property James Morse
2024-08-14  3:59   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-13 18:07     ` James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 07/39] x86/resctrl: Add max_bw to struct resctrl_membw James Morse
2024-08-14  4:00   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 08/39] x86/resctrl: Generate default_ctrl instead of sharing it James Morse
2024-08-14  4:00   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-13 18:07     ` James Morse
2024-09-16 22:34       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 09/39] x86/resctrl: Add helper for setting CPU default properties James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 10/39] x86/resctrl: Remove rdtgroup from update_cpu_closid_rmid() James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 11/39] x86/resctrl: Export resctrl fs's init function James Morse
2024-08-14  4:01   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 12/39] x86/resctrl: Wrap resctrl_arch_find_domain() around rdt_find_domain() James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 13/39] x86/resctrl: Move resctrl types to a separate header James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 14/39] x86/resctrl: Add a resctrl helper to reset all the resources James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 15/39] x86/resctrl: Move monitor exit work to a resctrl exit call James Morse
2024-08-14  4:01   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-30 16:42     ` James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 16/39] x86/resctrl: Move monitor init work to a resctrl init call James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 17/39] x86/resctrl: Rewrite and move the for_each_*_rdt_resource() walkers James Morse
2024-08-15  6:43   ` Shaopeng Tan (Fujitsu)
2024-09-30 16:42     ` James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 18/39] x86/resctrl: Export the is_mbm_*_enabled() helpers to asm/resctrl.h James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 19/39] x86/resctrl: Add resctrl_arch_is_evt_configurable() to abstract BMEC James Morse
2024-08-14  4:01   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 20/39] x86/resctrl: Change mon_event_config_{read,write}() to be arch helpers James Morse
2024-08-14  4:02   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-10-02 16:58     ` James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 21/39] x86/resctrl: Move mbm_cfg_mask to struct rdt_resource James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 22/39] x86/resctrl: Add resctrl_arch_ prefix to pseudo lock functions James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 23/39] x86/resctrl: Allow an architecture to disable pseudo lock James Morse
2024-08-14  4:02   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 24/39] x86/resctrl: Make prefetch_disable_bits belong to the arch code James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 25/39] x86/resctrl: Make resctrl_arch_pseudo_lock_fn() take a plr James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 26/39] x86/resctrl: Move thread_throttle_mode_init() to be managed by resctrl James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 27/39] x86/resctrl: Move get_config_index() to a header James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 28/39] x86/resctrl: Claim get_{mon,ctrl}_domain_from_cpu() helpers for resctrl James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 29/39] x86/resctrl: Describe resctrl's bitmap size assumptions James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 30/39] x86/resctrl: Rename resctrl_sched_in() to begin with "resctrl_arch_" James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 31/39] x86/resctrl: resctrl_exit() teardown resctrl but leave the mount point James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 32/39] x86/resctrl: Drop __init/__exit on assorted symbols James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 33/39] x86/resctrl: Move is_mba_sc() out of core.c James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 34/39] x86/resctrl: Add end-marker to the resctrl_event_id enum James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 35/39] x86/resctrl: Remove a newline to avoid confusing the code move script James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 36/39] x86/resctrl: Split trace.h James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 37/39] fs/resctrl: Add boiler plate for external resctrl code James Morse
2024-08-14  4:04   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 38/39] x86/resctrl: Move the filesystem bits to headers visible to fs/resctrl James Morse
2024-08-02 17:28 ` [PATCH v4 39/39] x86/resctrl: Add python script to move resctrl code to /fs/resctrl James Morse
2024-08-06  7:13 ` [PATCH v4 00/39] x86/resctrl: Move the resctrl filesystem " Shaopeng Tan (Fujitsu)
2024-08-15  7:04   ` Shaopeng Tan (Fujitsu)
2024-10-02 16:58     ` James Morse

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