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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rushikesh S Kadam <rushikesh.s.kadam@intel.com>,
	"Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Neeraj upadhyay <neeraj.iitr10@gmail.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, rcu <rcu@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 resend 4/6] fs: Move call_rcu() to call_rcu_lazy() in some paths
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:45:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4deb7354-bac7-b530-47ba-54cf50cfce58@joelfernandes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220819023550.GN2125313@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>



On 8/18/2022 10:35 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 09:21:56PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:05 PM Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:23 PM Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [Sorry, adding back the CC list]
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:45 PM Joel Fernandes (Google)
>>>> <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is required to prevent callbacks triggering RCU machinery too
>>>>> quickly and too often, which adds more power to the system.
>>>>>
>>>>> When testing, we found that these paths were invoked often when the
>>>>> system is not doing anything (screen is ON but otherwise idle).
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I am seeing a slow down in ChromeOS boot performance
>>>> after applying this particular patch. It is the first time I could
>>>> test ChromeOS boot times with the series since it was hard to find a
>>>> ChromeOS device that runs the upstream kernel.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, Vlad, Neeraj, do you guys also see slower boot times with this
>>>> patch? I wonder if the issue is with wake up interaction with the nocb
>>>> GP threads.
>>>>
>>>> We ought to disable lazy RCU during boot since it would have little
>>>> benefit anyway. But I am also concerned about some deeper problem I
>>>> did not catch before.
>>>>
>>>> I'll look into tracing the fs paths to see if I can narrow down what's
>>>> causing it. Will also try a newer kernel, I am currently testing on
>>>> 5.19-rc4.
>>>
>>> I got somewhere with this. It looks like queuing CBs as lazy CBs
>>> instead of normal CBs, are triggering expedited stalls during the boot
>>> process:
>>>
>>>   39.949198] rcu: INFO: rcu_preempt detected expedited stalls on
>>> CPUs/tasks: { } 28 jiffies s: 69 root: 0x0/.
>>>
>>> No idea how/why lazy RCU CBs would be related to expedited GP issues,
>>> but maybe something hangs and causes that side-effect.
>>>
>>> initcall_debug did not help, as it seems initcalls all work fine, and
>>> then 8 seconds after the boot, it starts slowing down a lot, followed
>>> by the RCU stall messages. As a next step I'll enable ftrace during
>>> the boot to see if I can get more insight. But I believe, its not the
>>> FS layer, the FS layer just triggers lazy CBs, but there is something
>>> wrong with the core lazy-RCU work itself.
>>>
>>> This kernel is 5.19-rc4. I'll also try to rebase ChromeOS on more
>>> recent kernels and debug.
>>
>> More digging, thanks to trace_event= boot option , I find that the
>> boot process does have some synchronous waits, and though these are
>> "non-lazy", for some reason the lazy CBs that were previously queued
>> are making them wait for the *full* lazy duration. Which points to a
>> likely bug in the lazy RCU logic. These synchronous CBs should never
>> be waiting like the lazy ones:
>>
>> [   17.715904]  => trace_dump_stack
>> [   17.715904]  => __wait_rcu_gp
>> [   17.715904]  => synchronize_rcu
>> [   17.715904]  => selinux_netcache_avc_callback
>> [   17.715904]  => avc_ss_reset
>> [   17.715904]  => sel_write_enforce
>> [   17.715904]  => vfs_write
>> [   17.715904]  => ksys_write
>> [   17.715904]  => do_syscall_64
>> [   17.715904]  => entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe
>>
>> I'm tired so I'll resume the debug later.
> 
> At times like this, I often pull the suspect code into userspace and
> run it through its paces.  In this case, a bunch of call_rcu_lazy()
> invocations into an empty bypass list, followed by a call_rcu()
> invocation, then a check to make sure that the bypass list is no longer
> lazy.

Thanks a lot for this great debug idea, I will look into it.

Thanks,

 - Joel

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-19  2:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-09  3:45 [PATCH v3 resend 0/6] Implement call_rcu_lazy() and miscellaneous fixes Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-09  3:45 ` [PATCH v3 resend 1/6] rcu: Introduce call_rcu_lazy() API implementation Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-09  3:45 ` [PATCH v3 resend 2/6] rcu: shrinker for lazy rcu Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-09  3:45 ` [PATCH v3 resend 3/6] rcuscale: Add laziness and kfree tests Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-09  3:45 ` [PATCH v3 resend 4/6] fs: Move call_rcu() to call_rcu_lazy() in some paths Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-18 17:22   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-18 17:23   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-18 23:05     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19  1:21       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19  1:29         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19  2:35         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-08-19  2:45           ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2022-08-19 16:30             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19 17:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-08-19 18:14                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19 18:17                   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19 18:26                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-08-19 18:29                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19 19:40                   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-19 19:58                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-08-19 20:13                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-09  3:45 ` [PATCH v3 resend 5/6] rcutorture: Add test code for call_rcu_lazy() Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-09  3:45 ` [PATCH v3 resend 6/6] debug: Toggle lazy at runtime and change flush jiffies Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-08-11  2:23 ` [PATCH v3 resend 0/6] Implement call_rcu_lazy() and miscellaneous fixes Joel Fernandes
2022-08-11  2:31   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-11  2:51     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-08-11  3:22       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-08-11  3:46         ` Paul E. McKenney

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