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From: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Getting FS access events
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:04:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515105633.00a22c10@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142357220.23955-100000@penguin.transmeta .com>
In-Reply-To: <200105150649.f4F6nwD22946@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>

At 08:13 15/05/01, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2001, Richard Gooch wrote:
> > So what happens if I dd from the block device and also from a file on
> > the mounted FS, where that file overlaps the bnums I dd'ed? Do we get
> > two copies in the page cache? One for the block device access, and one
> > for the file access?
>
>Yup. And never the two shall meet.
>
>Why should they? Why would you ever do something like that, or care about
>the fact?

They shouldn't, but maybe some stupid utility or a typo will do it creating 
two incoherent copies of the same block on the device. -> Bad Things can 
happen.

Can't we simply stop people from doing it by say having mount lock the 
device from further opens (and vice versa of course, doing a "dd" should 
result in lock of device preventing a mount during the duration of "dd"). - 
Wouldn't this be a good thing, guaranteeing that problems cannot happen 
while not incurring any overhead except on device open/close? Or is this a 
matter of "give the user enough rope"? - If proper rw locking is 
implemented it could allow simultaneous -o ro mount with a dd from the 
device but do exclusive write locking, for example, for maximum flexibility.

Just my 2p.

Anton


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Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
Linux NTFS Maintainer / WWW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/
ICQ: 8561279 / WWW: http://www-stu.christs.cam.ac.uk/~aia21/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-15 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200105140117.f4E1HqN07362@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>
2001-05-14  1:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14  1:45   ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-14  2:39   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14  3:09     ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14  4:27     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  4:37     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-23 11:37       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-14  2:24 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14  4:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14  5:15   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 13:04     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-14 18:00       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-14 20:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 23:19     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  0:42       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15  4:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  4:35         ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-15  4:59           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:01             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-15  4:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  5:04           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 16:17           ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:44               ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-23 11:29                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-20  4:30               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 19:47                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18  7:55           ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-23 11:36             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-15  4:57         ` David S. Miller
2001-05-15  5:12           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:10           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:48             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-05-15  9:54               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:17               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:58                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:08                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  6:20         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  6:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  6:49           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  6:57             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:33               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15 10:44                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 14:42                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15  7:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  7:56               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-15  8:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:33                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-15 16:00                     ` Chris Mason
2001-05-15 19:26                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:03                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:07                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:15                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:22                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:26                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:31                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:12                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:02                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 21:53                                   ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-19  5:26                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-15 10:04             ` Anton Altaparmakov [this message]
2001-05-15 19:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:31                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-15 22:35                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  1:17                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-16  1:30                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  8:34                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-16 16:27                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 16:26             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-15 18:02             ` Craig Milo Rogers
2001-05-15  6:13       ` Richard Gooch

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