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From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/3] rcu: Refactor expedited handling check in rcu_read_unlock_special()
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 15:16:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52679e35-c6a4-4e0c-876a-a80a1a9b2bd8@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <941d82f3-1c09-4db2-ae22-a80d04227673@paulmck-laptop>

Hi Paul,

On 7/6/2025 1:18 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 05, 2025 at 04:39:16PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>> Extract the complex expedited handling condition in rcu_read_unlock_special()
>> into a separate function rcu_unlock_needs_exp_handling() with detailed
>> comments explaining each condition.
>>
>> This improves code readability. No functional change intended.
> 
> Very nice!!!

Thanks!

> 
> Some questions and comments interspersed below.

I replied inline below:

> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
>> Signed-off-by: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
>> ---
>>  kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h | 80 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----
>>  1 file changed, 71 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h
>> index baf57745b42f..8504d95bb35b 100644
>> --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h
>> +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h
>> @@ -647,6 +647,72 @@ static void rcu_preempt_deferred_qs_handler(struct irq_work *iwp)
>>  	local_irq_restore(flags);
>>  }
>>  
>> +/*
>> + * Check if expedited grace period processing during unlock is needed.
>> + *
>> + * This function determines whether expedited handling is required based on:
>> + * 1. Task blocking an expedited grace period
> 
> This is a heuristic.  What we are actually checking is whether the task
> is blocking *some* grace period and whether at least one task (maybe
> this one, maybe not) is blocking an expedited grace period.

Makes sense, I changed this to:

 * 1. Task blocking an expedited grace period (based on a heuristic, could be
 *    false-positive, see below.)

And the below comment to:

        /*
         * Check if this task is blocking an expedited grace period. If the
         * task was preempted within an RCU read-side critical section and is
         * on the expedited grace period blockers list (exp_tasks), we need
         * expedited handling to unblock the expedited GP. This is not an exact
         * check because 't' might not be on the exp_tasks list at all - its
         * just a fast heuristic that can be false-positive sometimes.
         */
        if (t->rcu_blocked_node && READ_ONCE(t->rcu_blocked_node->exp_tasks))
                return true;

Hope that looks Ok.

> 
> Why not an exact check?  Because that would mean traversing the list
> starting at ->exp_tasks, and that list could potentially contain every
> task in the system.  And I have received bug reports encountered on
> systems with hundreds of thousands of tasks.

Got it.

> 
> I could imagine a more complex data structure that semi-efficiently
> tracked exact information, but I could also imagine this not being worth
> the effort.
> 
>> + * 2. CPU participating in an expedited grace period
>> + * 3. Strict grace period mode requiring expedited handling
>> + * 4. RCU priority boosting needs when interrupts were disabled
> 
> s/boosting/deboosting/
> 

Fixed, thanks.

> 
>> +	 */
>> +	if (t->rcu_blocked_node && READ_ONCE(t->rcu_blocked_node->exp_tasks))
>> +		return true;
>> +
>> +	/*
>> +	 * Check if this CPU is participating in an expedited grace period.
>> +	 * The expmask bitmap tracks which CPUs need to check in for the
>> +	 * current expedited GP. If our CPU's bit is set, we need expedited
>> +	 * handling to help complete the expedited GP.
>> +	 */
>> +	if (rdp->grpmask & READ_ONCE(rnp->expmask))
>> +		return true;
>> +
>> +	/*
>> +	 * In CONFIG_RCU_STRICT_GRACE_PERIOD=y kernels, all grace periods
>> +	 * are treated as short for testing purposes even if that means
>> +	 * disturbing the system more. Check if either:
>> +	 * - This CPU has not yet reported a quiescent state, or
>> +	 * - This task was preempted within an RCU critical section
>> +	 * In either case, requird expedited handling for strict GP mode.
> 
> s/requird/required/  ;-)

I meant "require" :-D. Will fix.

> 
>> +	 */
>> +	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_RCU_STRICT_GRACE_PERIOD) &&
>> +	    ((rdp->grpmask & READ_ONCE(rnp->qsmask)) || t->rcu_blocked_node))
>> +		return true;
>> +
>> +	/*
>> +	 * RCU priority boosting case: If a task is subject to RCU priority
>> +	 * boosting and exits an RCU read-side critical section with interrupts
>> +	 * disabled, we need expedited handling to ensure timely deboosting.
>> +	 * Without this, a low-priority task could incorrectly run at high
>> +	 * real-time priority for an extended period effecting real-time
> 
> s/effecting/degrading/ to be more precise.
> 

Fixed, thanks.

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-06 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-05 20:39 [PATCH RFC 1/3] rcu: Fix rcu_read_unlock() deadloop due to IRQ work Joel Fernandes
2025-07-05 20:39 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rcu: Refactor expedited handling check in rcu_read_unlock_special() Joel Fernandes
2025-07-06 17:18   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-06 19:16     ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2025-07-07  4:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-05 20:39 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] rcu: Remove redundant check for irq state during unlock Joel Fernandes
2025-07-05 20:41 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] rcu: Fix rcu_read_unlock() deadloop due to IRQ work Joel Fernandes
2025-07-06 17:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-06 17:13   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-07-06 17:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-06 18:37       ` Joel Fernandes
2025-07-07 13:26 ` qiang.zhang
2025-07-07 14:04   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-07 14:51     ` Joel Fernandes

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