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From: Sarah Newman <srn@prgmr.com>
To: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCHv1] x86: don't schedule when handling #NM exception
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:17:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53288DD1.9060809@prgmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53272D79.5050605@eu.citrix.com>

On 03/17/2014 10:14 AM, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 03/17/2014 05:05 PM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> On 17.03.14 at 17:55, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>> So if this interface wasn't an accident it was active negligence and
>>> incompetence.
>> I don't think so - while it (as we now see) disallows certain things
>> inside the guest, back at the time when this was designed there was
>> no sign of any sort of allocation/scheduling being done inside the
>> #NM handler. And furthermore, a PV specification is by its nature
>> allowed to define deviations from real hardware behavior, or else it
>> wouldn't be needed in the first place.
> 
> But it's certainly the case that deviating from the hardware in *this* way by default was always
> very likely to case the exact kind of bug we've seen here.  It is an "interface trap" that was bound
> to be tripped over (much like Intel's infamous sysret vulnerability).
> 
> Making it opt-in would have been a much better idea.  But the people who made that decision are long
> gone, and we now need to deal with the situation as we have it.

Should or has there been a review of the current xen PVABI to look for any other such deviations?

  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-18 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-10 16:17 David Vrabel
2014-03-10 16:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-10 17:15   ` David Vrabel
2014-03-10 17:25     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-17  3:13     ` Sarah Newman
2014-03-17  3:32       ` [PATCH] x86, fpu, xen: Allocate fpu state for xen pv based on PVABI behavior Sarah Newman
2014-03-17  3:33       ` [PATCHv1] x86: don't schedule when handling #NM exception H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-17  3:35         ` [Xen-devel] " Sarah Newman
2014-03-17  3:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-17  4:12             ` Sarah Newman
2014-03-17  4:23               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-20  0:00                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-03-20  2:29                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-17 13:29             ` David Vrabel
2014-03-19 13:21               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-03-19 15:02                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-06-23 13:08                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-03-05 22:08                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-03-06 11:46                       ` [PATCHv4] x86, fpu: remove the logic of non-eager fpu mem allocation at the first usage David Vrabel
2014-03-17 12:19         ` [Xen-devel] [PATCHv1] x86: don't schedule when handling #NM exception George Dunlap
2014-03-17 16:55           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-17 17:05             ` Jan Beulich
2014-03-17 17:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-18  8:14                 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-03-17 17:14               ` George Dunlap
2014-03-18 18:17                 ` Sarah Newman [this message]
2014-03-18 18:27                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-10 16:45 ` H. Peter Anvin

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