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From: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Seth Jennings <sjenning@redhat.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.cz>, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, kpatch@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 2/3] kernel: add support for live patching
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:27:55 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5473325B.7070609@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1411241209050.6439@nanos>

(2014/11/24 20:13), Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Seth Jennings wrote:
>> This commit introduces code for the live patching core.  It implements
>> an ftrace-based mechanism and kernel interface for doing live patching
>> of kernel and kernel module functions.
>>
>> It represents the greatest common functionality set between kpatch and
>> kgraft and can accept patches built using either method.
>>
>> This first version does not implement any consistency mechanism that
>> ensures that old and new code do not run together.  In practice, ~90% of
>> CVEs are safe to apply in this way, since they simply add a conditional
>> check.  However, any function change that can not execute safely with
>> the old version of the function can _not_ be safely applied in this
>> version.
> 
> To be honest this sounds frightening.
> 

I see. This is just a minimal one. We'll add several consistency
mechanisms :).

> How is determined whether a change can be applied w/o a consistency
> mechanism or not?

I guess the following cases are possible to be applied.
- the code itself ensures consistency (e.g. in a critical section)
or,
- the patch just changes one place (e.g. add an if branch) and
  only depends on the local context (e.g. local variables), and
  doesn't called in a loop, so that old- and new-version of the
  function can co-exist.

Thank you,

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	tglx
> 
> 


-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Research Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-24 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-20 22:29 [PATCHv3 0/3] Kernel Live Patching Seth Jennings
2014-11-20 22:29 ` [PATCHv3 1/3] kernel: add TAINT_LIVEPATCH Seth Jennings
2014-11-20 22:29 ` [PATCHv3 2/3] kernel: add support for live patching Seth Jennings
2014-11-21  0:22   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-21 14:44     ` Miroslav Benes
2014-11-21 15:00       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-11-21 15:46         ` Miroslav Benes
2014-11-21 16:13           ` Seth Jennings
2014-11-21 15:21     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-11-21 15:27       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-21 15:35         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-11-21 16:40     ` Seth Jennings
2014-11-21 17:35       ` Jiri Slaby
2014-11-21 18:29         ` Seth Jennings
2014-11-21 17:53       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-21  2:39   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-25 16:39     ` Petr Mladek
2014-11-25 16:52       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-11-25 17:04         ` Petr Mladek
2014-11-25 17:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-11-25 19:29             ` Jiri Kosina
2014-12-03  8:09               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-24 11:13   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 13:21     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-24 13:26       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 13:31         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2014-11-24 14:25           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-24 13:31         ` Jiri Kosina
2014-11-24 13:23     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2014-11-24 13:24     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2014-11-24 13:27     ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2014-11-20 22:29 ` [PATCHv3 3/3] kernel: add sysfs documentation " Seth Jennings
2014-11-21  2:49   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-11-21 16:41     ` Seth Jennings
2014-11-21  2:44 ` [PATCHv3 0/3] Kernel Live Patching Masami Hiramatsu

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