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From: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kent Overstreet <kmo@daterainc.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
Subject: Re: Linux 3.19-rc3
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:03:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54CFCA05.2070404@hurleysoftware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150202161105.GB19109@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 02/02/2015 11:11 AM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 09:03:12AM -0500, Peter Hurley wrote:
>> On 01/19/2015 07:30 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 12:47:53PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 02:57:37PM -0500, Peter Hurley wrote:
>>>
>>> [ . . . ]
>>>
>>>> David Miller's call, actually.
>>>>
>>>> But the rule is that if it is an atomic read-modify-write operation and it
>>>> returns a value, then the operation itself needs to include full memory
>>>> barriers before and after (as in the caller doesn't need to add them).
>>>> Otherwise, the operation does not need to include memory ordering.
>>>> Since xchg(), atomic_xchg(), and atomic_long_xchg() all return a value,
>>>> their implementations must include full memory barriers before and after.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty straightforward.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Hello again, Peter,
>>>
>>> Were you going to push a patch clarifying this?
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> As you pointed out, atomic_ops.txt is for arch implementors, so I wasn't
>> planning on patching that file.
>>
>> I've been meaning to write up something specifically for everyone else but
>> my own bugs have kept me from that. [That, and I'm not sure what I write
>> will be suitable for Documentation.]
> 
> Well, upon revisiting this after coming back from travel, I am more inclined
> to agree that a change would be good.  I doubt if you would be the only
> person who might be confused.  So how about the following patch?

I think this is much clearer to both audiences. Thanks!

Regards,
Peter Hurley

[minor corrections below]

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> documentation: Clarify memory-barrier semantics of atomic operations
> 
> All value-returning atomic read-modify-write operations must provide full
> memory-barrier semantics on both sides of the operation.  This commit
> clarifies the documentation to make it clear that these memory-barrier
> semantics are provided by the operations themselves, not by their callers.
> 
> Reported-by: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
> Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt b/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
> index 183e41bdcb69..672201e79c49 100644
> --- a/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
> @@ -201,11 +201,11 @@ These routines add 1 and subtract 1, respectively, from the given
>  atomic_t and return the new counter value after the operation is
>  performed.
>  
> -Unlike the above routines, it is required that explicit memory
> -barriers are performed before and after the operation.  It must be
> -done such that all memory operations before and after the atomic
> -operation calls are strongly ordered with respect to the atomic
> -operation itself.
> +Unlike the above routines, it is required that these primitives
> +inlude explicit memory barriers that are performed before and after
   ^^^^^^
   include|provide
> +the operation.  It must be done such that all memory operations before
> +and after the atomic operation calls are strongly ordered with respect
> +to the atomic operation itself.
>  
>  For example, it should behave as if a smp_mb() call existed both
>  before and after the atomic operation.
> @@ -233,21 +233,21 @@ These two routines increment and decrement by 1, respectively, the
>  given atomic counter.  They return a boolean indicating whether the
>  resulting counter value was zero or not.
>  
> -It requires explicit memory barrier semantics around the operation as
> -above.
> +Again, these primitive provide explicit memory barrier semantics around
                         ^
                         s
> +the atomic operation.
>  
>  	int atomic_sub_and_test(int i, atomic_t *v);
>  
>  This is identical to atomic_dec_and_test() except that an explicit
> -decrement is given instead of the implicit "1".  It requires explicit
> -memory barrier semantics around the operation.
> +decrement is given instead of the implicit "1".  This primitive must
> +provide explicit memory barrier semantics around the operation.
>  
>  	int atomic_add_negative(int i, atomic_t *v);
>  
> -The given increment is added to the given atomic counter value.  A
> -boolean is return which indicates whether the resulting counter value
> -is negative.  It requires explicit memory barrier semantics around the
> -operation.
> +The given increment is added to the given atomic counter value.  A boolean
> +is return which indicates whether the resulting counter value is negative.
> +This primitive must provide explicit memory barrier semantics around
> +the operation.
>  
>  Then:
>  
> @@ -257,7 +257,7 @@ This performs an atomic exchange operation on the atomic variable v, setting
>  the given new value.  It returns the old value that the atomic variable v had
>  just before the operation.
>  
> -atomic_xchg requires explicit memory barriers around the operation.
> +atomic_xchg must provide explicit memory barriers around the operation.
>  
>  	int atomic_cmpxchg(atomic_t *v, int old, int new);
>  
> @@ -266,7 +266,7 @@ with the given old and new values. Like all atomic_xxx operations,
>  atomic_cmpxchg will only satisfy its atomicity semantics as long as all
>  other accesses of *v are performed through atomic_xxx operations.
>  
> -atomic_cmpxchg requires explicit memory barriers around the operation.
> +atomic_cmpxchg must provide explicit memory barriers around the operation.
>  
>  The semantics for atomic_cmpxchg are the same as those defined for 'cas'
>  below.
> @@ -279,8 +279,8 @@ If the atomic value v is not equal to u, this function adds a to v, and
>  returns non zero. If v is equal to u then it returns zero. This is done as
>  an atomic operation.
>  
> -atomic_add_unless requires explicit memory barriers around the operation
> -unless it fails (returns 0).
> +atomic_add_unless must provide explicit memory barriers around the
> +operation unless it fails (returns 0).
>  
>  atomic_inc_not_zero, equivalent to atomic_add_unless(v, 1, 0)
>  
> @@ -460,9 +460,9 @@ the return value into an int.  There are other places where things
>  like this occur as well.
>  
>  These routines, like the atomic_t counter operations returning values,
> -require explicit memory barrier semantics around their execution.  All
> -memory operations before the atomic bit operation call must be made
> -visible globally before the atomic bit operation is made visible.
> +must provide explicit memory barrier semantics around their execution.
> +All memory operations before the atomic bit operation call must be
> +made visible globally before the atomic bit operation is made visible.
>  Likewise, the atomic bit operation must be visible globally before any
>  subsequent memory operation is made visible.  For example:
>  
> @@ -536,8 +536,9 @@ except that two underscores are prefixed to the interface name.
>  These non-atomic variants also do not require any special memory
>  barrier semantics.
>  
> -The routines xchg() and cmpxchg() need the same exact memory barriers
> -as the atomic and bit operations returning values.
> +The routines xchg() and cmpxchg() must provide the same exact
> +memory-barrier semantics as the atomic and bit operations returning
> +values.
>  
>  Spinlocks and rwlocks have memory barrier expectations as well.
>  The rule to follow is simple:
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-02 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-06  4:49 Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06  9:34 ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06  9:56   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-06 10:06     ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06 10:28       ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-06 10:31         ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06 10:37           ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-06 10:42             ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06  9:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06  9:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06  9:42   ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06  9:57     ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06 10:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 10:18         ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06 11:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 11:07             ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-06 11:25               ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06 11:40                 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-06 12:51                   ` Sedat Dilek
2015-01-06 11:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 11:48                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 12:01                   ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-06 12:20                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 12:45                       ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-06 12:55                       ` Peter Hurley
2015-01-06 17:38                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-01-06 17:58                           ` Peter Hurley
2015-01-06 19:25                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-01-06 19:57                               ` Peter Hurley
2015-01-06 20:47                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-01-20  0:30                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-01-20 14:03                                     ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-02 16:11                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-02 19:03                                         ` Peter Hurley [this message]
2015-02-02 19:33                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-01-06 11:56                 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-06 12:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 12:43                     ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-06 13:03                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 13:28                         ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-13 15:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 11:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-06 12:18                 ` Kent Overstreet
2015-01-16 16:56               ` Peter Hurley
2015-01-16 17:00                 ` Chris Mason
2015-01-16 18:58                   ` Peter Hurley
2015-01-06 10:29   ` Sedat Dilek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-01-06  1:46 Linus Torvalds
2015-01-06  2:46 ` Dave Jones
2015-01-06  8:18   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-06  9:45   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-01-08 12:51 ` Mark Langsdorf
2015-01-08 13:45   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-08 17:29     ` Mark Langsdorf
2015-01-08 17:34       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-08 18:48         ` Mark Langsdorf
2015-01-08 19:21           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-09 23:27             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-10  0:35               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-10  2:27                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-10  2:51                   ` David Lang
2015-01-10  3:06                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-10 10:46                       ` Andreas Mohr
2015-01-10 19:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-13  3:33                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-01-13 10:28                       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-10  3:17                   ` Tony Luck
2015-01-10 20:16                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-10 21:00                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-10 21:36                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-10 21:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-12 11:37                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-12 12:18                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-12 13:57                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-12 14:23                             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-12 15:42                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-12 11:53                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-01-12 13:15                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-08 15:08   ` Michal Hocko
2015-01-08 16:37     ` Mark Langsdorf
2015-01-09 15:56       ` Michal Hocko
2015-01-09 12:13   ` Mark Rutland
2015-01-09 14:19     ` Steve Capper
2015-01-09 14:27       ` Mark Langsdorf
2015-01-09 17:57         ` Mark Rutland
2015-01-09 18:37           ` Marc Zyngier
2015-01-09 19:43             ` Will Deacon
2015-01-10  3:29               ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-01-10  4:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-10 13:37                   ` Will Deacon
2015-01-10 19:47                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-01-10 19:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-10 20:08                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-01-10 19:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-12 12:42                       ` Will Deacon
2015-01-12 13:22                         ` Mark Langsdorf
2015-01-12 19:03                         ` Dave Hansen
2015-01-12 19:06                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-12 19:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-01-12 19:24                             ` Will Deacon
2015-01-10 15:22                 ` Kyle McMartin

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