From: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/10] posix-cpu-timers: Migrate to use new tick dependency mask model
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:52:54 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55BA8096.7030601@ezchip.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150730194519.GA24607@lerouge>
On 07/30/2015 03:45 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
>>>> You mentioned needing two fields, for task and for process, but in
>>>> fact let's just add the one field to the one thing that needs it and
>>>> not worry about additional possible future needs. And note that it's
>>>> the task_struct->signal where we need to add the field for posix cpu
>>>> timers (the signal_struct) since that's where the sharing occurs, and
>>>> given CLONE_SIGHAND I imagine it could be different from the general
>>>> "process" model anyway.
>>> Well, posix cpu timers can be install per process (signal struct) or
>>> per thread (task struct).
>>>
>>> But we can certainly simplify that with a per process flag and expand
>>> the thread dependency to the process scope.
>>>
>>> Still there is the issue of telling the CPUs where a process runs when
>>> a posix timer is installed there. There is no process-like tsk->cpus_allowed.
>>> Either we send an IPI everywhere like we do now or we iterate through all
>>> threads in the process to OR all their cpumasks in order to send that IPI.
>> Is there a reason the actual timer can't run on a housekeeping
>> core? Then when it does wake_up_process() or whatever, the
>> specific target task will get an IPI to wake up at that point.
> It makes sense if people run posix cpu timers on nohz full CPUs. But nobody
> reported such usecase yet.
The corner case I was trying to address with my comment above
is when a process includes both housekeeping and nohz_full threads.
This is generally a bad idea in my experience, but our customers
do this sometimes (usually because they're porting a big pile of
code from somewhere else), and if so it would be good if we didn't
have to keep every thread in that task ticking; presumably it is
enough to ensure the timer lands on a housekeeping core instead,
possibly the one for the non-fast-path thread in question, and then
the regular IPIs from wake_up_process() will be sufficient if for
some lame reason the signal ends up handled on a nohz_full core.
--
Chris Metcalf, EZChip Semiconductor
http://www.ezchip.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-30 19:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-23 16:42 [PATCH 00/10] nohz: Tick dependency mask v2 Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 01/10] nohz: Remove idle task special case Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 02/10] nohz: Restart nohz full tick from irq exit Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 03/10] nohz: Move tick_nohz_restart_sched_tick() above its users Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 04/10] nohz: Remove useless argument on tick_nohz_task_switch() Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 12:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 12:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 05/10] nohz: New tick dependency mask Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 16:55 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-24 17:16 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 17:43 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-08-03 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:05 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 12:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 13:55 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 14:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 06/10] perf: Migrate perf to use new tick dependency mask model Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 07/10] sched: Migrate sched " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:55 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 16:56 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-29 13:01 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 14:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 14:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 17:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 17:30 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-04 7:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 14:02 ` Juri Lelli
2015-08-10 14:16 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-10 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 15:29 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-10 15:43 ` Juri Lelli
2015-08-10 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-10 15:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 08/10] posix-cpu-timers: Migrate " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-24 16:57 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-29 13:23 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-29 17:24 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-30 0:44 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-30 14:31 ` Luiz Capitulino
2015-07-30 14:46 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-30 19:35 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-30 19:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-30 19:52 ` Chris Metcalf [this message]
2015-07-31 14:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 15:59 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-08-03 18:01 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 17:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 17:39 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-03 19:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-06 17:13 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 09/10] sched-clock: " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-23 16:42 ` [PATCH 10/10] nohz: Remove task switch obsolete tick dependency check Frederic Weisbecker
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