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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"daniel.lezcano@linaro.org" <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	"yuyang.du@intel.com" <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	"mturquette@baylibre.com" <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	"sgurrappadi@nvidia.com" <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com>,
	"pang.xunlei@zte.com.cn" <pang.xunlei@zte.com.cn>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] sched/fair: Get rid of scaling utilization by capacity_orig
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 19:54:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55EDDD5A.70904@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtBmgc=7JMRcTL9VYdHxb7qgXBDFc62rb-jnSVCePwJNsg@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/09/15 17:21, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On 7 September 2015 at 17:37, Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> wrote:
>> On 04/09/15 00:51, Steve Muckle wrote:
>>> Hi Morten, Dietmar,
>>>
>>> On 08/14/2015 09:23 AM, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> + * cfs_rq.avg.util_avg is the sum of running time of runnable tasks plus the
>>>> + * recent utilization of currently non-runnable tasks on a CPU. It represents
>>>> + * the amount of utilization of a CPU in the range [0..capacity_orig] where
>>>
>>> I see util_sum is scaled by SCHED_LOAD_SHIFT at the end of
>>> __update_load_avg(). If there is now an assumption that util_avg may be
>>> used directly as a capacity value, should it be changed to
>>> SCHED_CAPACITY_SHIFT? These are equal right now, not sure if they will
>>> always be or if they can be combined.
>>
>> You're referring to the code line
>>
>> 2647   sa->util_avg = (sa->util_sum << SCHED_LOAD_SHIFT) / LOAD_AVG_MAX;
>>
>> in __update_load_avg()?
>>
>> Here we actually scale by 'SCHED_LOAD_SCALE/LOAD_AVG_MAX' so both values are
>> load related.
> 
> I agree with Steve that there is an issue from a unit point of view
> 
> sa->util_sum and LOAD_AVG_MAX have the same unit so sa->util_avg is a
> load because of << SCHED_LOAD_SHIFT)
> 
> Before this patch , the translation from load to capacity unit was
> done in get_cpu_usage with "* capacity) >> SCHED_LOAD_SHIFT"
> 
> So you still have to change the unit from load to capacity with a "/
> SCHED_LOAD_SCALE * SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE" somewhere.
> 
> sa->util_avg = ((sa->util_sum << SCHED_LOAD_SHIFT) /SCHED_LOAD_SCALE *
> SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE / LOAD_AVG_MAX = (sa->util_sum <<
> SCHED_CAPACITY_SHIFT) / LOAD_AVG_MAX;

I see the point but IMHO this will only be necessary if the SCHED_LOAD_RESOLUTION
stuff gets re-enabled again.

It's not really about utilization or capacity units but rather about using the same
SCALE/SHIFT values for both sides, right?

I always thought that scale_load_down() takes care of that.

So shouldn't:

diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
index 3445d2fb38f4..b80f799aface 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
@@ -2644,7 +2644,7 @@ __update_load_avg(u64 now, int cpu, struct sched_avg *sa,
                        cfs_rq->runnable_load_avg =
                                div_u64(cfs_rq->runnable_load_sum, LOAD_AVG_MAX);
                }
-               sa->util_avg = (sa->util_sum << SCHED_LOAD_SHIFT) / LOAD_AVG_MAX;
+               sa->util_avg = (sa->util_sum * scale_load_down(SCHED_LOAD_SCALE)) / LOAD_AVG_MAX;
        }
 
        return decayed;

fix that issue in case SCHED_LOAD_RESOLUTION != 0 ?

I would vote for removing this SCHED_LOAD_RESOLUTION thing completely so that we can
assume that load/util and capacity are always using 1024/10.

Cheers,

-- Dietmar

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Vincent
> 
> 
>>
>> LOAD (UTIL) and CAPACITY have the same SCALE and SHIFT values because
>> SCHED_LOAD_RESOLUTION is always defined to 0. scale_load() and
>> scale_load_down() are also NOPs so this area is probably
>> worth a separate clean-up.
>> Beyond that, I'm not sure if the current functionality is
>> broken if we use different SCALE and SHIFT values for LOAD and CAPACITY?
>>

[...]


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-07 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-14 16:23 [PATCH 0/6] sched/fair: Compute capacity invariant load/utilization tracking Morten Rasmussen
2015-08-14 16:23 ` [PATCH 1/6] sched/fair: Make load tracking frequency scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-13 11:03   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Dietmar Eggemann
2015-08-14 16:23 ` [PATCH 2/6] sched/fair: Convert arch_scale_cpu_capacity() from weak function to #define Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-02  9:31   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-02 12:41     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-03 19:58     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-04  7:26       ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-07 13:25         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-11 13:21         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-11 14:45           ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-13 11:03   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Morten Rasmussen
2015-08-14 16:23 ` [PATCH 3/6] sched/fair: Make utilization tracking cpu scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-08-14 23:04   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-04  7:52     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-13 11:04     ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Make utilization tracking CPU scale-invariant tip-bot for Dietmar Eggemann
2015-08-14 16:23 ` [PATCH 4/6] sched/fair: Name utilization related data and functions consistently Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-04  9:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-11 16:35     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-13 11:04   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Dietmar Eggemann
2015-08-14 16:23 ` [PATCH 5/6] sched/fair: Get rid of scaling utilization by capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-03 23:51   ` Steve Muckle
2015-09-07 15:37     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-07 16:21       ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-07 18:54         ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2015-09-07 19:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-08 12:47             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-08  7:22           ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-08 12:26             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-08 12:52               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-08 14:06                 ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-08 14:35                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-08 14:40                     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-08 14:31                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-08 15:33                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-09 22:23                     ` bsegall
2015-09-10 11:06                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-10 11:11                         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-10 12:10                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-11  0:50                             ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-10 17:23                         ` bsegall
2015-09-08 16:53                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-09  9:43                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-09  9:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-09 11:13                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-11 17:22                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-17  9:51                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-17 10:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-21  1:16                             ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-21 17:30                               ` bsegall
2015-09-21 23:39                                 ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-22 17:18                                   ` bsegall
2015-09-22 23:22                                     ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-23 16:54                                       ` bsegall
2015-09-24  0:22                                         ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-30 12:52                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-11  7:46                     ` Leo Yan
2015-09-11 10:02                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-11 14:11                         ` Leo Yan
2015-09-09 19:07                 ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-10 10:06                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-08 13:39               ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-08 14:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-08 15:17                   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-08 12:50             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-08 14:01               ` Vincent Guittot
2015-09-08 14:27                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-09 20:15               ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-10 10:07                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-11  0:28                   ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-11 10:31                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-11 17:05                       ` bsegall
2015-09-11 18:24                         ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-14 17:36                           ` bsegall
2015-09-14 12:56                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-14 17:34                           ` bsegall
2015-09-14 22:56                             ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-15 17:11                               ` bsegall
2015-09-15 18:39                                 ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-16 17:06                                   ` bsegall
2015-09-17  2:31                                     ` Yuyang Du
2015-09-15  8:43                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-16 15:36                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-08 11:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-13 11:04       ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Dietmar Eggemann
2015-08-14 16:23 ` [PATCH 6/6] sched/fair: Initialize task load and utilization before placing task on rq Morten Rasmussen
2015-09-13 11:05   ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Morten Rasmussen
2015-08-16 20:46 ` [PATCH 0/6] sched/fair: Compute capacity invariant load/utilization tracking Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-17 11:29   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-08-17 11:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-31  9:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-02  9:51   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-07 12:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-07 13:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-07 13:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-07 14:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-09-13 11:06       ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Defer calling scaling functions tip-bot for Dietmar Eggemann

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