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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Josh Poimboeuf' <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	"'x86@kernel.org'" <x86@kernel.org>
Cc: "'linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'Linus Torvalds'" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	'Al Viro' <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	'Will Deacon' <will@kernel.org>,
	'Dan Williams' <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	'Andrea Arcangeli' <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"'Waiman Long'" <longman@redhat.com>,
	'Peter Zijlstra' <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"'Thomas Gleixner'" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	'Andrew Cooper' <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	'Andy Lutomirski' <luto@kernel.org>,
	'Christoph Hellwig' <hch@lst.de>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] x86/uaccess: Use pointer masking to limit uaccess speculation
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:31:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56488b800d044a7e81efd8b40198a527@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f54657f1b5e74ec99cef62228db50dee@AcuMS.aculab.com>

From: David Laight
> Sent: 29 August 2020 14:21
> 
> From: Josh Poimboeuf
> > Sent: 28 August 2020 20:29
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 09:50:06AM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > The x86 uaccess code uses barrier_nospec() in various places to prevent
> > > speculative dereferencing of user-controlled pointers (which might be
> > > combined with further gadgets or CPU bugs to leak data).
> > >
> > > There are some issues with the current implementation:
> > >
> > > - The barrier_nospec() in copy_from_user() was inadvertently removed
> > >   with: 4b842e4e25b1 ("x86: get rid of small constant size cases in
> > >   raw_copy_{to,from}_user()")
> > >
> > > - copy_to_user() and friends should also have a speculation barrier,
> > >   because a speculative write to a user-controlled address can still
> > >   populate the cache line with the original data.
> > >
> > > - The LFENCE in barrier_nospec() is overkill, when more lightweight user
> > >   pointer masking can be used instead.
> > >
> > > Remove all existing barrier_nospec() usage, and instead do user pointer
> > > masking, throughout the x86 uaccess code.  This is similar to what arm64
> > > is already doing.
> > >
> > > barrier_nospec() is now unused, and can be removed.
> > >
> > > Fixes: 4b842e4e25b1 ("x86: get rid of small constant size cases in raw_copy_{to,from}_user()")
> > > Suggested-by: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
> > > Signed-off-by: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
> >
> > Ping?
> 
> Rereading the patch it looks like a lot of bloat (as well as a
> lot of changes).
> Does the array_mask even work on 32bit archs where the kernel
> base address is 0xc0000000?
> I'm sure there is something much simpler.
> 
> If access_ok() generates ~0u or 0 without a conditional then
> the address can be masked with the result.
> So you probably need to change access_ok() to take the address
> of the user pointer - so the callers become like:
> 	if (access_ok(&user_buffer, len))
> 		return -EFAULT
> 	__put_user(user_buffer, value);
> 
> It would be easier if NULL were guaranteed to be an invalid
> user address (is it?).
> Then access_ok() could return the modified pointer.
> So you get something like:
> 	user_buffer = access_ok(user_buffer, len);
> 	if (!user_buffer)
> 		return -EFAULT.
> 
> Provided the 'last' user page is never allocated (it can't
> be on i386 due to cpu prefetch issues) something like:
> (and with the asm probably all broken)
> 
> static inline void __user * access_ok(void __user *b, size_t len)
> {
> 	unsigned long x = (long)b | (long)(b + len);
> 	unsigned long lim = 64_bit ? 1u << 63 : 0x40000000;
> 	asm volatile (" add %1, %0\n"
> 			" sbb $0, %0", "=r" (x), "r" (lim));
> 	return (void __user *)(long)b & ~x);
> }

Actually, thinking further, if:
1) the access_ok() immediately precedes the user copy (as it should).
2) the user-copies use a sensible 'increasing address' copy.
and
3) there is a 'guard page' between valid user and kernel addresses.
Then access_ok() only need check the base address of the user buffer.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-29 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-19 14:50 Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-19 16:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-19 17:02   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-19 21:30     ` David Laight
2020-08-20  0:18     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-28 19:29 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-29 13:21   ` David Laight
2020-08-29 19:31     ` David Laight [this message]
2020-08-31 17:31       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-09-01  8:32         ` David Laight
2020-09-01 14:26           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-09-01 15:00             ` David Laight
2020-09-01 15:24               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-09-01 14:02 ` Mark Rutland
2020-09-01 14:21   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-09-01 14:52     ` Mark Rutland
2020-09-01 14:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 14:54     ` Mark Rutland
2020-09-01 15:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 15:46         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-02 11:43           ` Mark Rutland
2020-09-02 13:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-02 17:23               ` Mark Rutland
2020-09-03  6:56                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-04 16:00                   ` Mark Rutland

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