From: Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
"Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwi@linutronix.de>,
Alexandre Chartre <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com>,
"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/its: use Sapphire Rapids+ feature to opt out
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 15:35:28 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5E09F6D2-F6E5-45A2-8264-34DC6DF679B5@nutanix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPemUXkliqL7QShY@char.us.oracle.com>
> On Oct 21, 2025, at 11:27 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 02:39:15PM +0000, Jon Kohler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2025, at 10:01 AM, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>> On 10/21/25 06:40, Jon Kohler wrote:
>>>> So to simplify it down:
>>>> A guest VM that updates to a ITS-enabled guest kernel sees performance
>>>> impacts on non-vulnerable hardware, when running on non-BHI_CTRL and/or
>>>> non-ITS_NO hypervisors, which is a very easy situation to get into, especially
>>>> on QEMU with live migration-enabled pools.
>>>
>>> By non-$FEATURE, do you mean that they chose to not enumerate those
>>> features, or that they are completely ignorant of them?
>>
>> Both cases are true for QEMU.
>>
>> For ITS_NO, it is an allowed feature, but its not part of a QEMU model by
>> default, so the higher level control plane whatever that may be would need to
>> specifically turn it on, its not automatic.
>>
>> For BHI_CTRL, depending on what QEMU the VM was originally *started* on,
>> the guest may have access to Sapphire Rapids models, but BHI_CTRL may
>> not have existed in the QEMU source at that time, as those were introduced
>> into two different timeframes.
>
> QEMU provides now a mechanism to update itself to a newer version. See
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blogs.oracle.com_linux_post_qemu-2Dlive-2Dupdate&d=DwIFaQ&c=s883GpUCOChKOHiocYtGcg&r=NGPRGGo37mQiSXgHKm5rCQ&m=UUSvpPViiTB6CJQtj3GREK4bQFz7MT9uNiAu5AL3O23d6I1yk4vheLDyR41ZcbRI&s=x19gwHU3HGXSlGkK0ppkawex3SIbs8xHj5hPtwNCFwc&e=
>
> That should solve your QEMU problem.
Can this live update feature change CPU feature bits (e.g. add on
-cpu ModelHere … new_flag=yes) during the update?
Can it change CPU models during the live update (e.g. change
-cpu Model-v1 to -cpu Model-v2)?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-21 15:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-17 1:12 Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 15:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-20 16:05 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 16:21 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-20 16:26 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 19:26 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-20 19:38 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 19:53 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-20 20:29 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 19:44 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-20 19:54 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 20:40 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-20 21:02 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-20 22:09 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-20 22:41 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-21 13:40 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-21 14:01 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-21 14:39 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-21 15:21 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-21 15:40 ` Jon Kohler
2025-10-21 15:27 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-10-21 15:35 ` Jon Kohler [this message]
2025-10-21 15:46 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
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