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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH hazptr 2/4] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2026 11:42:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5a695b14-d25d-4c11-87f4-83c8d299d79f@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wi7BkCuzMe_zWi6KHUs09UQWJpCVNvuFg5wh_CAu5dgow@mail.gmail.com>

On 2026-09-29 11:16, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sept 2026 at 08:04, Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that doing it in asm would generate better code. Also, I've
>> been told that clang now preserves the address dependency in this
>> scenario, so perhaps we'd want to use preprocessor conditionals to
>> select how to implement ptr_eq based on:
>>
>> - architecture (allowing asm implementation overrides),
>> - compiler (e.g. if compiler is clang >= version X, just do a plain
>>     comparison). Likewise for gcc if it ever decides to fix this
>>     behavior.
>>
>> I think this "hide var" hack is a fallback which can be used as a
>> starting point, and then we can specialize based on architecture and
>> compiler.
>>
>> Or do you prefer this in a different order ?
> 
> Oh, if there's some sane way to tell that the compiler already honors
> address dependencies, then that should be done first and the whole
> thing should just become a simple
> 
>   (a) == (b)
> 
> for that situation - allowing the compiler then the freedom to do
> whatever (which can involve not using a register at all, but a compare
> to memory, or whatever - the compiler might have reasons to avoid the
> 'cmp' and use another sequence entirely)

For the records, here is the relevant compiler discussion:

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/34577

and it seems like they still have unfixed scenarios,
which may or may not affect the hazptr use-case:

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/220206

Considering this, I would not be inclined to jump to the conclusion
that using the compiler compare for hazptr acquire load/test/reload
is safe today without a careful analysis.

> 
> Then a "if we have an architecture fallback".
> 
> And then that OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR() thing as a last fallback.

OK,

Thanks!

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-29 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-27 15:51 [PATCH hazptr 0/4] Hazard pointer updates Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 15:51 ` [PATCH hazptr 1/4] hazptr: Fix two-phase hazptr_synchronize race with detach Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 15:51 ` [PATCH hazptr 2/4] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-29 14:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-29 15:04     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-29 15:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-29 15:42         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-09-29 16:22           ` Gary Guo
2026-09-27 15:51 ` [PATCH hazptr 3/4] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq() Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 15:51 ` [PATCH hazptr 4/4] hazptr: Introduce "try acquire" fast path, fallback to overflow list Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 16:40   ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-27 17:15     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 17:24       ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-27 17:36         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 18:16           ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-27 17:26       ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-27 22:39       ` Gary Guo
2026-09-28  9:12         ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-28 11:32           ` Gary Guo
2026-09-28 14:56             ` Bradley Morgan
2026-09-28 15:32             ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-28  9:27     ` Kunwu Chan
2026-09-27 16:07 ` [PATCH hazptr 0/4] Hazard pointer updates Bradley Morgan
2026-09-27 16:27   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 16:33     ` Bradley Morgan
2026-09-27 16:45       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 16:15 ` Boqun Feng
2026-09-27 16:20   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-27 16:22     ` Bradley Morgan

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