* Re: [PATCH for net-next] if_ether.h: Clarify ethertype validity for gsw1xx dsa
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@ 2025-11-17 9:02 ` Peter Enderborg
2025-11-17 13:28 ` Andrew Lunn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Peter Enderborg @ 2025-11-17 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew Lunn
Cc: Andrew Lunn, David S . Miller, Eric Dumazet, Jakub Kicinski,
Paolo Abeni, netdev, Daniel Golle, linux-kernel
(resend due to html bounce)
On 11/15/25 21:41, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 02:59:36PM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
>> Ref https://standards-oui.ieee.org/ethertype/eth.txt
>>
>>
> Is this actually registered with IANA?
No.
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ieee-802-numbers.xhtml
>
> Does not list it. Please keep the "NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID" if
> it is not.
Let med quote text from your link.
Note
This page has assignments under the control of the IEEE
Registration Authority that are of primarily historic interest
that and have traditionally been on the IANA web pages.
For allocations under the IANA OUI [RFC9542 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc9542>], see the "Ethernet
Numbers" IANA web page. Contact information for the IEEE
Registration Authority is as follows:http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth
Ethertypes:
Registration Procedure(s)
Not assigned by IANA. Per [RFC9542 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc9542>], updates to this registry
are coordinated with the expert.
Note
The following list of Ethertypes is contributed unverified
information from various sources. See the IEEE Registration
Authority web pages at [http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth]
for a public list of Ethertypes.
Another list of Ethertypes is maintained by Michael A. Patton
and is accessible at:http://www.cavebear.com/archive/cavebear/Ethernet/index.html
> Andrew
IEEE is the official source to use for ethertype number assignment.
/Peter
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* Re: [PATCH for net-next] if_ether.h: Clarify ethertype validity for gsw1xx dsa
2025-11-17 9:02 ` [PATCH for net-next] if_ether.h: Clarify ethertype validity for gsw1xx dsa Peter Enderborg
@ 2025-11-17 13:28 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-11-17 14:59 ` Peter Enderborg
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Lunn @ 2025-11-17 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Enderborg
Cc: Andrew Lunn, David S . Miller, Eric Dumazet, Jakub Kicinski,
Paolo Abeni, netdev, Daniel Golle, linux-kernel
On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 10:02:05AM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
> (resend due to html bounce)
> On 11/15/25 21:41, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 02:59:36PM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
> > > Ref https://standards-oui.ieee.org/ethertype/eth.txt
> > >
> > >
> > Is this actually registered with IANA?
>
> No.
>
> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ieee-802-numbers.xhtml
> >
> > Does not list it. Please keep the "NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID" if
> > it is not.
> IEEE is the official source to use for ethertype number assignment.
What i want to make clear is, if IEEE officially allocate this to
something else, this is an unofficial allocation, and the official use
can replace it. We have a few ID like this, and never had a collision
yet, but it could happen.
Andrew
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* Re: [PATCH for net-next] if_ether.h: Clarify ethertype validity for gsw1xx dsa
2025-11-17 13:28 ` Andrew Lunn
@ 2025-11-17 14:59 ` Peter Enderborg
2025-11-17 15:16 ` Andrew Lunn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Peter Enderborg @ 2025-11-17 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew Lunn
Cc: Andrew Lunn, David S . Miller, Eric Dumazet, Jakub Kicinski,
Paolo Abeni, netdev, Daniel Golle, linux-kernel
You have to pay us$4000 to get a ethertype.
On 11/17/25 14:28, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 10:02:05AM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
>> (resend due to html bounce)
>> On 11/15/25 21:41, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 02:59:36PM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
>>>> Ref https://standards-oui.ieee.org/ethertype/eth.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Is this actually registered with IANA?
>> No.
>>
>>> https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ieee-802-numbers.xhtml
>>>
>>> Does not list it. Please keep the "NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID" if
>>> it is not.
>> IEEE is the official source to use for ethertype number assignment.
> What i want to make clear is, if IEEE officially allocate this to
> something else, this is an unofficial allocation, and the official use
> can replace it. We have a few ID like this, and never had a collision
> yet, but it could happen.
This is the public list from IEEE. It wont get more official. Yes, official
allocation can be changed in non backward compatible way. It happen
in 1983 so it can happen again. If the standard changes we need to adopt.
"NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID" is wrong, it is "Infineon Technologies Corporate Research ST".
> Andrew
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* Re: [PATCH for net-next] if_ether.h: Clarify ethertype validity for gsw1xx dsa
2025-11-17 14:59 ` Peter Enderborg
@ 2025-11-17 15:16 ` Andrew Lunn
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Lunn @ 2025-11-17 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Enderborg
Cc: Andrew Lunn, David S . Miller, Eric Dumazet, Jakub Kicinski,
Paolo Abeni, netdev, Daniel Golle, linux-kernel
On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 03:59:13PM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
> You have to pay us$4000 to get a ethertype.
>
> On 11/17/25 14:28, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 10:02:05AM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
> > > (resend due to html bounce)
> > > On 11/15/25 21:41, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 02:59:36PM +0100, Peter Enderborg wrote:
> > > > > Ref https://standards-oui.ieee.org/ethertype/eth.txt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Is this actually registered with IANA?
> > > No.
> > >
> > > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ieee-802-numbers.xhtml
> > > >
> > > > Does not list it. Please keep the "NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID" if
> > > > it is not.
> > > IEEE is the official source to use for ethertype number assignment.
> > What i want to make clear is, if IEEE officially allocate this to
> > something else, this is an unofficial allocation, and the official use
> > can replace it. We have a few ID like this, and never had a collision
> > yet, but it could happen.
>
> This is the public list from IEEE. It wont get more official. Yes, official
> allocation can be changed in non backward compatible way. It happen
> in 1983 so it can happen again. If the standard changes we need to adopt.
>
> "NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID" is wrong, it is "Infineon Technologies Corporate Research ST".
Ah. Let me see if i have this correct.....
Infineon made a spin off called Lantiq.
Lantiq was acquired by Intel
MaxLinear acquired Intels Connected Home division.
Assuming the rights to this ID transferred along the way, it is
O.K. for MaxLinear to use this ID. But, IANAL...
Please expand the commit message with this history, which is then a
justification for removing the NOT AN OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ID, and
why it is O.K. for MaxLinear to use it.
Andrew
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