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From: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Yiwei Zhang <zzyiwei@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] KVM: x86: Remove VMX support for virtualizing guest MTRR memtypes
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 18:10:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ee34382-b45b-2069-ea33-ef58acacaa79@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240309010929.1403984-2-seanjc@google.com>



On 3/8/24 17:09, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> Remove KVM's support for virtualizing guest MTRR memtypes, as full MTRR
> adds no value, negatively impacts guest performance, and is a maintenance
> burden due to it's complexity and oddities.
> 
> KVM's approach to virtualizating MTRRs make no sense, at all.  KVM *only*
> honors guest MTRR memtypes if EPT is enabled *and* the guest has a device
> that may perform non-coherent DMA access.  From a hardware virtualization
> perspective of guest MTRRs, there is _nothing_ special about EPT.  Legacy
> shadowing paging doesn't magically account for guest MTRRs, nor does NPT.

[snip]

>  
> -bool __kvm_mmu_honors_guest_mtrrs(bool vm_has_noncoherent_dma)
> +bool kvm_mmu_may_ignore_guest_pat(void)
>  {
>  	/*
> -	 * If host MTRRs are ignored (shadow_memtype_mask is non-zero), and the
> -	 * VM has non-coherent DMA (DMA doesn't snoop CPU caches), KVM's ABI is
> -	 * to honor the memtype from the guest's MTRRs so that guest accesses
> -	 * to memory that is DMA'd aren't cached against the guest's wishes.
> -	 *
> -	 * Note, KVM may still ultimately ignore guest MTRRs for certain PFNs,
> -	 * e.g. KVM will force UC memtype for host MMIO.
> +	 * When EPT is enabled (shadow_memtype_mask is non-zero), and the VM
> +	 * has non-coherent DMA (DMA doesn't snoop CPU caches), KVM's ABI is to
> +	 * honor the memtype from the guest's PAT so that guest accesses to
> +	 * memory that is DMA'd aren't cached against the guest's wishes.  As a
> +	 * result, KVM _may_ ignore guest PAT, whereas without non-coherent DMA,
> +	 * KVM _always_ ignores guest PAT (when EPT is enabled).
>  	 */
> -	return vm_has_noncoherent_dma && shadow_memtype_mask;
> +	return shadow_memtype_mask;
>  }
>  

Any special reason to use the naming 'may_ignore_guest_pat', but not
'may_honor_guest_pat'?

Since it is also controlled by other cases, e.g., kvm_arch_has_noncoherent_dma()
at vmx_get_mt_mask(), it can be 'may_honor_guest_pat' too?

Therefore, why not directly use 'shadow_memtype_mask' (without the API), or some
naming like "ept_enabled_for_hardware".


Even with the code from PATCH 5/5, we still have high chance that VM has
non-coherent DMA?

 bool kvm_mmu_may_ignore_guest_pat(void)
 {
 	/*
-	 * When EPT is enabled (shadow_memtype_mask is non-zero), and the VM
+	 * When EPT is enabled (shadow_memtype_mask is non-zero), the CPU does
+	 * not support self-snoop (or is affected by an erratum), and the VM
 	 * has non-coherent DMA (DMA doesn't snoop CPU caches), KVM's ABI is to
 	 * honor the memtype from the guest's PAT so that guest accesses to
 	 * memory that is DMA'd aren't cached against the guest's wishes.  As a
 	 * result, KVM _may_ ignore guest PAT, whereas without non-coherent DMA,
-	 * KVM _always_ ignores guest PAT (when EPT is enabled).
+	 * KVM _always_ ignores or honors guest PAT, i.e. doesn't toggle SPTE
+	 * bits in response to non-coherent device (un)registration.
 	 */
-	return shadow_memtype_mask;
+	return !static_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_SELFSNOOP) && shadow_memtype_mask;
 }


Thank you very much!

Dongli Zhang

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-12  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-09  1:09 [PATCH 0/5] KVM: VMX: Drop MTRR virtualization, honor guest PAT Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 1/5] KVM: x86: Remove VMX support for virtualizing guest MTRR memtypes Sean Christopherson
2024-03-11  7:44   ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-12  0:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-12  1:10   ` Dongli Zhang [this message]
2024-03-12 17:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-14 10:31       ` Dongli Zhang
2024-03-14 14:47         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 2/5] KVM: VMX: Drop support for forcing UC memory when guest CR0.CD=1 Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 3/5] srcu: Add an API for a memory barrier after SRCU read lock Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 4/5] KVM: x86: Ensure a full memory barrier is emitted in the VM-Exit path Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 22:38   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-06-20 23:42     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-21  0:52     ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 5/5] KVM: VMX: Always honor guest PAT on CPUs that support self-snoop Sean Christopherson
2024-03-11  1:16   ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-12  0:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-12  7:30       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-03-12 16:07         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-13  1:18           ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-13  8:52             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-03-13  8:55               ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-13 15:09                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-14  0:12                   ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-14  1:00                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-25  3:43   ` Chao Gao
2024-04-01 22:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-30  9:35   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 11:05     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2024-08-30 13:47       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 13:52         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-30 14:06           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 14:37             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 16:13               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-02  8:23                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2024-09-02  1:44         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-02  9:49           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-09-03  0:25             ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-03 15:30             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-03 16:20               ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-09-04  2:28                 ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04 12:17                   ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-05  0:41                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-05  9:43                       ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-09  5:30                         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-09 13:24                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 16:04                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10  1:05                             ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04 11:47                 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-10-07 13:28     ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-10-07 13:38       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-10-07 14:04         ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-03-22  9:29 ` [PATCH 0/5] KVM: VMX: Drop MTRR virtualization, honor guest PAT Ma, Yongwei
2024-03-22 13:08 ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-25  6:56   ` Ma, XiangfeiX
2024-03-25  8:02     ` Ma, XiangfeiX
2024-06-05 23:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-06  0:03   ` Paul E. McKenney

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