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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Anton Romanov <romanton@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: Don't snapshot "max" TSC if host TSC is constant
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:10:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <609de7ff-92e2-f96e-e6f5-127251f6e16d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220225013929.3577699-1-seanjc@google.com>

On 2/25/22 02:39, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> Don't snapshot tsc_khz into max_tsc_khz during KVM initialization if the
> host TSC is constant, in which case the actual TSC frequency will never
> change and thus capturing the "max" TSC during initialization is
> unnecessary, KVM can simply use tsc_khz during VM creation.
> 
> On CPUs with constant TSC, but not a hardware-specified TSC frequency,
> snapshotting max_tsc_khz and using that to set a VM's default TSC
> frequency can lead to KVM thinking it needs to manually scale the guest's
> TSC if refining the TSC completes after KVM snapshots tsc_khz.  The
> actual frequency never changes, only the kernel's calculation of what
> that frequency is changes.  On systems without hardware TSC scaling, this
> either puts KVM into "always catchup" mode (extremely inefficient), or
> prevents creating VMs altogether.
> 
> Ideally, KVM would not be able to race with TSC refinement, or would have
> a hook into tsc_refine_calibration_work() to get an alert when refinement
> is complete.  Avoiding the race altogether isn't practical as refinement
> takes a relative eternity; it's deliberately put on a work queue outside
> of the normal boot sequence to avoid unnecessarily delaying boot.
> 
> Adding a hook is doable, but somewhat gross due to KVM's ability to be
> built as a module.  And if the TSC is constant, which is likely the case
> for every VMX/SVM-capable CPU produced in the last decade, the race can
> be hit if and only if userspace is able to create a VM before TSC
> refinement completes; refinement is slow, but not that slow.
> 
> For now, punt on a proper fix, as not taking a snapshot can help some
> uses cases and not taking a snapshot is arguably correct irrespective of
> the race with refinement.
> 
> Cc: Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
> Cc: Anton Romanov <romanton@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>

Queued, but I'd rather have a subject that calls out that max_tsc_khz 
needs a replacement at vCPU creation time.  In fact, the real change 
(and bug, and fix) is in kvm_arch_vcpu_create(), while the subject 
mentions only the change in kvm_timer_init().

What do you think of "KVM: x86: Use current rather than max TSC 
frequency if it is constant"?

Pao

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-25 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-25  1:39 Sean Christopherson
2022-02-25 12:10 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2022-02-25 12:20   ` David Woodhouse
2022-02-25 16:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-25 16:34       ` David Woodhouse
2022-04-12 17:38   ` Anton Romanov
2022-04-13  8:31     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-02-25 12:52 ` David Woodhouse
2022-02-25 16:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-25 16:51     ` David Woodhouse

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