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From: "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org, namhyung@kernel.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	irogers@google.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	zide.chen@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/12] Support vector and more extended registers in perf
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:52:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60c18595-c6a8-4c39-98fe-0822755fbdb7@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250617082423.GK1613376@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>



On 2025-06-17 4:24 a.m., Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 06:49:31AM -0700, kan.liang@linux.intel.com wrote:
>> From: Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
>>
>> Starting from the Intel Ice Lake, the XMM registers can be collected in
>> a PEBS record. More registers, e.g., YMM, ZMM, OPMASK, SPP and APX, will
>> be added in the upcoming Architecture PEBS as well. But it requires the
>> hardware support.
>>
>> The patch set provides a software solution to mitigate the hardware
>> requirement. It utilizes the XSAVES command to retrieve the requested
>> registers in the overflow handler. The feature isn't limited to the PEBS
>> event or specific platforms anymore.
>> The hardware solution (if available) is still preferred, since it has
>> low overhead (especially with the large PEBS) and is more accurate.
>>
>> In theory, the solution should work for all X86 platforms. But I only
>> have newer Inter platforms to test. The patch set only enable the
>> feature for Intel Ice Lake and later platforms.
>>
>> Open:
>> The new registers include YMM, ZMM, OPMASK, SSP, and APX.
>> The sample_regs_user/intr has run out. A new field in the
>> struct perf_event_attr is required for the registers.
>> There could be several options as below for the new field.
>>
>> - Follow a similar format to XSAVES. Introduce the below fields to store
>>   the bitmap of the registers.
>>   struct perf_event_attr {
>>         ...
>>         __u64   sample_ext_regs_intr[2];
>>         __u64   sample_ext_regs_user[2];
>>         ...
>>   }
>>   Includes YMMH (16 bits), APX (16 bits), OPMASK (8 bits),
>>            ZMMH0-15 (16 bits), H16ZMM (16 bits), SSP
>>   For example, if a user wants YMM8, the perf tool needs to set the
>>   corresponding bits of XMM8 and YMMH8, and reconstruct the result.
>>   The method is similar to the existing method for
>>   sample_regs_user/intr, and match the XSAVES format.
>>   The kernel doesn't need to do extra configuration and reconstruction.
>>   It's implemented in the patch set.
>>
>> - Similar to the above method. But the fields are the bitmap of the
>>   complete registers, E.g., YMM (16 bits), APX (16 bits),
>>   OPMASK (8 bits), ZMM (32 bits), SSP.
>>   The kernel needs to do extra configuration and reconstruction,
>>   which may brings extra overhead.
>>
>> - Combine the XMM, YMM, and ZMM. So all the registers can be put into
>>   one u64 field.
>>         ...
>>         union {
>>                 __u64 sample_ext_regs_intr;   //sample_ext_regs_user is simiar
>>                 struct {
>>                         __u32 vector_bitmap;
>>                         __u32 vector_type   : 3, //0b001 XMM 0b010 YMM 0b100 ZMM
>>                               apx_bitmap    : 16,
>>                               opmask_bitmap : 8,
>>                               ssp_bitmap    : 1,
>>                               reserved      : 4,
>>
>>                 };
>>         ...
>>   For example, if the YMM8-15 is required,
>>   vector_bitmap: 0x0000ff00
>>   vector_type: 0x2
>>   This method can save two __u64 in the struct perf_event_attr.
>>   But it's not straightforward since it mixes the type and bitmap.
>>   The kernel also needs to do extra configuration and reconstruction.
>>
>> Please let me know if there are more ideas.
> 
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20250416155327.GD17910@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net
>

It's similar to the third method, but using the words to replace the
type. Also there are more space left in case we add more SIMDs in future.
I will implement it in the V2.
> comes to mind. Combine that with a rule that reclaims the XMM register
> space from perf_event_x86_regs when sample_simd_reg_words != 0, and then
> we can put APX and SPP there.

OK. So the sample_simd_reg_words actually has another meaning now. It's
used as a flag to tell whether utilizing the old format.

If so, I think it may be better to have a dedicate sample_simd_reg_flag
field.

For example,

#define SAMPLE_SIMD_FLAGS_FORMAT_LEGACY		0x0
#define SAMPLE_SIMD_FLAGS_FORMAT_WORDS		0x1

	__u8 sample_simd_reg_flags;
	__u8 sample_simd_reg_words;
	__u64 sample_simd_reg_intr;
	__u64 sample_simd_reg_user;

If (sample_simd_reg_flags != 0) reclaims the XMM space for APX and SPP.

Does it make sense?

Thanks,
Kan



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-17 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-13 13:49 kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] perf/x86: Use x86_perf_regs in the x86 nmi handler kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] perf/x86: Setup the regs data kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] x86/fpu/xstate: Add xsaves_nmi kan.liang
2025-06-13 14:39   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-13 14:54     ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-13 15:19       ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] perf: Move has_extended_regs() to header file kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] perf/x86: Support XMM register for non-PEBS and REGS_USER kan.liang
2025-06-13 15:15   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-13 17:51     ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-13 15:34   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-13 18:14     ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] perf: Support extension of sample_regs kan.liang
2025-06-17  8:00   ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-17  8:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17  9:49     ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-17 10:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17 12:14         ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-17 13:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17 14:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17 14:24               ` Mark Rutland
2025-06-17 14:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17 14:55                   ` Mark Rutland
2025-06-17 19:00                     ` Mark Brown
2025-06-17 20:32                     ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-18  9:35                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-18 10:10                         ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-18 13:30                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-18 13:52                             ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-18 14:30                               ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-18 14:47                                 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-18 15:24                                   ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-18 14:45                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-18 15:22                                 ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] perf/x86: Add YMMH in extended regs kan.liang
2025-06-13 15:48   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] perf/x86: Add APX " kan.liang
2025-06-13 16:02   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-13 17:17     ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-17  8:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] perf/x86: Add OPMASK " kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] perf/x86: Add ZMM " kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] perf/x86: Add SSP " kan.liang
2025-06-13 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] perf/x86/intel: Support extended registers kan.liang
2025-06-17  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] Support vector and more extended registers in perf Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-17  8:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17 13:52   ` Liang, Kan [this message]
2025-06-17 14:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-17 15:23       ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-17 17:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-18  0:57         ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-18 10:47           ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-18 12:28             ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-18 13:15               ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-19  0:41                 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-19 11:11                   ` Liang, Kan
2025-06-19 12:26                     ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-19 13:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-19 14:27                       ` Liang, Kan

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