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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
To: "seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Li, Xiaoyao" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	"Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"Zhao, Yan Y" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Hunter, Adrian" <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Yang, Weijiang" <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
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	"Yamahata, Isaku" <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
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	"nik.borisov@suse.com" <nik.borisov@suse.com>,
	"Chatre, Reinette" <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	"Gao, Chao" <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] KVM: TDX: Add TSX_CTRL msr into uret_msrs list
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:34:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60e2ed472e03834c13a48e774dc9f006eda92bf5.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z05SK2OxASuznmPq@google.com>

On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 16:34 -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Small point - the last conversation[0] we had on this was to let *userspace*
> > ensure consistency between KVM's CPUID (i.e. KVM_SET_CPUID2) and the TDX
> > Module's view.
> 
> I'm all for that, right up until KVM needs to protect itself again userspace
> and
> flawed TDX architecture.  A relevant comment I made in that thread:
> 
>  : If the upgrade breaks a setup because it confuses _KVM_, then I'll care
> 
> As it applies here, letting vCPU CPUID and actual guest functionality diverge
> for
> features that KVM cares about _will_ cause problems.

Right, just wanted to make sure we don't need to re-open the major design.

> 
> This will be less ugly to handle once kvm_vcpu_arch.cpu_caps is a thing.  KVM
> can simply force set/clear bits to match the actual guest functionality that's
> hardcoded by the TDX Module or defined by TDPARAMS.
> 
> > So the configuration goes:
> > 1. Userspace configures per-VM CPU features
> > 2. Userspace gets TDX Module's final per-vCPU version of CPUID configuration
> > via
> > KVM API
> > 3. Userspace calls KVM_SET_CPUID2 with the merge of TDX Module's version,
> > and
> > userspace's desired values for KVM "owned" CPUID leads (pv features, etc)
> > 
> > But KVM's knowledge of CPUID bits still remains per-vcpu for TDX in any
> > case.
> > 
> > > 
> > >  - Don't hardcode fixed/required CPUID values in KVM, use available
> > > metadata
> > >    from TDX Module to reject "bad" guest CPUID (or let the TDX module
> > > reject?).
> > >    I.e. don't let a guest silently run with a CPUID that diverges from
> > > what
> > >    userspace provided.
> > 
> > The latest QEMU patches have this fixed bit data hardcoded in QEMU. Then the
> > long term solution is to make the TDX module return this data. Xiaoyao will
> > post
> > a proposal on how the TDX module should expose this soon.
> 
> Punting the "merge" to userspace is fine, but KVM still needs to ensure it
> doesn't
> have holes where userspace can attack the kernel by lying about what features
> the
> guest has access to.  And that means forcing bits in kvm_vcpu_arch.cpu_caps;
> anything else is just asking for problems.

Ok, then for now let's just address them on a case-by-case basis for logic that
protects KVM. I'll add to look at using kvm_vcpu_arch.cpu_caps to our future-
things todo list.

I think Adrian is going post a proposal for how to handle this case better.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-03 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-21 20:14 [PATCH 0/7] KVM: TDX: TD vcpu enter/exit Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH RFC 1/7] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper to enter/exit TDX guest Adrian Hunter
2024-11-22 11:10   ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-22 16:33     ` Dave Hansen
2024-11-25 13:40       ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-28 11:13         ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-04 15:58           ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-11 18:43             ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-13 15:45               ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-13 16:16               ` Dave Hansen
2024-12-13 16:30                 ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-13 16:44                   ` Dave Hansen
2024-11-22 16:26   ` Dave Hansen
2024-11-22 17:29     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-25 13:43       ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH 2/7] KVM: TDX: Implement TDX vcpu enter/exit path Adrian Hunter
2024-11-22  5:23   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-11-22  5:56     ` Binbin Wu
2024-11-22 14:33       ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-28  5:56         ` Yan Zhao
2024-11-28  6:26           ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: TDX: vcpu_run: save/restore host state(host kernel gs) Adrian Hunter
2024-11-25 14:12   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-11-26 16:15     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH 4/7] KVM: TDX: restore host xsave state when exit from the guest TD Adrian Hunter
2024-11-22  5:49   ` Chao Gao
2024-11-25 11:10     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-26  2:20       ` Chao Gao
2024-11-28  6:50         ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-02  2:52           ` Chao Gao
2024-12-02  6:36             ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-17 16:09       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-20 15:22         ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-20 16:22           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-20 21:24             ` PKEY syscall number for selftest? (was: [PATCH 4/7] KVM: TDX: restore host xsave state when exit from the guest TD) Sean Christopherson
2025-01-27 17:09               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-03 18:16             ` [PATCH 4/7] KVM: TDX: restore host xsave state when exit from the guest TD Adrian Hunter
2025-01-09 19:11               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-10 14:50                 ` Adrian Hunter
2025-01-10 17:30                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-14 20:04                     ` Adrian Hunter
2025-01-15  2:28                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-13 19:28                 ` Adrian Hunter
2025-01-13 23:47                   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-25 11:34     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH 5/7] KVM: x86: Allow to update cached values in kvm_user_return_msrs w/o wrmsr Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH 6/7] KVM: TDX: restore user ret MSRs Adrian Hunter
2024-11-21 20:14 ` [PATCH 7/7] KVM: TDX: Add TSX_CTRL msr into uret_msrs list Adrian Hunter
2024-11-22  3:27   ` Chao Gao
2024-11-27 14:00     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-29 11:39       ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-02 19:07         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-02 19:24           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-12-03  0:34             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-03 17:34               ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2024-12-03 19:17                 ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-04  1:25                   ` Chao Gao
2024-12-04  6:18                     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-04  6:37                       ` Chao Gao
2024-12-04  6:57                         ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-04 11:13                           ` Chao Gao
2024-12-04 11:55                             ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-04 15:33                               ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-12-04 23:51                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-12-05 17:31                                 ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-06  3:37                                   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-12-06 14:40                                     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-09  2:46                                       ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-12-09  7:08                                         ` Adrian Hunter
2024-12-10  2:45                                           ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-12-04 23:40                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-25  1:25 ` [PATCH 0/7] KVM: TDX: TD vcpu enter/exit Binbin Wu
2024-11-25 15:19   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-25 19:50     ` Huang, Kai
2024-11-25 22:51       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-26  1:43         ` Huang, Kai
2024-11-26  1:44         ` Binbin Wu
2024-11-26  3:52           ` Huang, Kai
2024-11-26  5:29             ` Binbin Wu
2024-11-26  5:37               ` Huang, Kai
2024-11-26 21:41               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-10 18:23 ` Paolo Bonzini

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