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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>
Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Static calls
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:45:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6C3BA76B-6C03-470E-91DB-3228A912F315@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <406f3f88-026c-f611-3b47-6dee3c6bbb0b@solarflare.com>

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com> wrote:
> 
> On 12/12/18 21:15, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>> On Dec 12, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> AIUI the outline version uses a tail-call (i.e. jmpq *target) rather than an
>>> additional call and ret.  So I wouldn't expect it to be too expensive.
>>> More to the point, it seems like it's easier to get right than the inline
>>> version, and if we get the inline version working later we can introduce it
>>> without any API change, much as Josh's existing patches have both versions
>>> behind a Kconfig switch.
>> I see. For my outlined blocks I used the opposite approach - a call followed
>> by jmp
> That's what Josh did too.  I.e. caller calls the trampoline, which jmps to the
>  callee; later it rets, taking it back to the caller.  Perhaps I wasn't clear.
> The point is that there's still only one call and one ret.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

> 
>>> I was working on the assumption that it would be opt-in, wrapping a macro
>>> around indirect calls that are known to have a fairly small number of hot
>>> targets.  There are plenty of indirect calls in the kernel that are only
>>> called once in a blue moon, e.g. in control-plane operations like ethtool;
>>> we don't really need to bulk up .text with trampolines for all of them.
>> On the other hand, I’m not sure the static_call interface is so intuitive.
>> And extending it into “dynamic_call” might be even worse. As I initially
>> used an opt-in approach, I can tell you that it was very exhausting.
> Well, if it's done with a gcc plugin after all, then it wouldn't be too hard
>  to make it opt-out.
> One advantage of the explicit opt-in dynamic_call, though, which can be seen
>  in my patch is that multiple call sites can share the same learning-state,
>  if they're expected to call the same set of functions.  An opt-out approach
>  would automatically give each indirect call statement its own individual BTB.
> Either way, I think the question is orthogonal to what the trampolines
>  themselves look like (and even to the inline vs outline question).

Not entirely. If the mechanism is opt-out and outlined, and especially if it
also supports multiple targets, you may not want to allocate all the memory
for them during build-time, and instead use module memory to allocate them
dynamically (that’s what we did).

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-12 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-26 13:54 Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] compiler.h: Make __ADDRESSABLE() symbol truly unique Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-27  8:49   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-11-26 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] static_call: Add static call infrastructure Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 13:54 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] x86/static_call: Add out-of-line static call implementation Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 15:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:19     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-26 13:55 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] x86/static_call: Add inline static call implementation for x86-64 Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 17:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 17:56       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 20:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 20:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 21:26           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-27  8:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-27  8:50               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29  6:05               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  9:42                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 13:11                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 13:37                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 14:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 14:42                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-29 16:33                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 16:49                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 16:59                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:10                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 22:01                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 22:14                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 22:22                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 22:25                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 22:30                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 17:15                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 17:20                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:21                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:41                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:45                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 17:52                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:49                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 18:37                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 16:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 16:55                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:02                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:07                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-29 17:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 17:35                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-29 17:13                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:44                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:50                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:54                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:58                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 18:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 18:47                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 18:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:08                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:11                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-10 23:58                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-11  1:43                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:12                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 19:27                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 20:24                                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 22:17                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 23:04                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-30 16:27                                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-11  9:41                                                       ` David Laight
2018-12-11 17:19                                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-12 18:29                                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-30 16:42                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-30 18:39                                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-30 19:45                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-30 20:18                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-30 20:28                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 20:59                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-30 21:01                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 21:13                                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-11-30 21:10                                                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 19:16                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 19:22                                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 19:27                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-30 22:16                                                 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-11-30 22:24                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 19:24                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 19:28                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 19:31                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 20:12                                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29 18:00                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 18:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 18:55                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-29 17:29                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-29 17:35                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 18:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 20:14         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-27  8:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:11     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-11-26 16:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-26 16:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-26 16:44         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 14:01 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Static calls Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 20:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-11-26 22:24   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-26 22:53     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-04 23:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-04 23:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 15:04     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-05 23:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-07 16:06 ` Edward Cree
2018-12-07 16:49   ` Edward Cree
2018-12-11 18:05   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-12  5:59     ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-12 17:11       ` Edward Cree
2018-12-12 17:47         ` [RFC/WIP PATCH 0/2] dynamic calls Edward Cree
2018-12-12 17:50           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] static_call: fix out-of-line static call implementation Edward Cree
2018-12-12 17:52           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] net: core: rather hacky PoC implementation of dynamic calls Edward Cree
2018-12-12 18:14         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Static calls Nadav Amit
2018-12-12 18:33           ` Edward Cree
2018-12-12 21:15             ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-12 21:36               ` Edward Cree
2018-12-12 21:45                 ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2018-12-10 23:57 ` Pavel Machek

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