From: Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
virtualization@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
jasowang@redhat.com, xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com,
yihyu@redhat.com, shan.gavin@gmail.com,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
mochs@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] virtio_ring: Fix the stale index in available ring
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:54:15 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6b829cfc-9cbe-42eb-9935-62d2cf5fbcc4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240319020949-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On 3/19/24 16:10, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 02:09:34AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 02:59:23PM +1000, Gavin Shan wrote:
>>> On 3/19/24 02:59, Will Deacon wrote:
[...]
>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>>> index 49299b1f9ec7..7d852811c912 100644
>>>>> --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>>> +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>>> @@ -687,9 +687,15 @@ static inline int virtqueue_add_split(struct virtqueue *_vq,
>>>>> avail = vq->split.avail_idx_shadow & (vq->split.vring.num - 1);
>>>>> vq->split.vring.avail->ring[avail] = cpu_to_virtio16(_vq->vdev, head);
>>>>> - /* Descriptors and available array need to be set before we expose the
>>>>> - * new available array entries. */
>>>>> - virtio_wmb(vq->weak_barriers);
>>>>> + /*
>>>>> + * Descriptors and available array need to be set before we expose
>>>>> + * the new available array entries. virtio_wmb() should be enough
>>>>> + * to ensuere the order theoretically. However, a stronger barrier
>>>>> + * is needed by ARM64. Otherwise, the stale data can be observed
>>>>> + * by the host (vhost). A stronger barrier should work for other
>>>>> + * architectures, but performance loss is expected.
>>>>> + */
>>>>> + virtio_mb(false);
>>>>> vq->split.avail_idx_shadow++;
>>>>> vq->split.vring.avail->idx = cpu_to_virtio16(_vq->vdev,
>>>>> vq->split.avail_idx_shadow);
>>>>
>>>> Replacing a DMB with a DSB is _very_ unlikely to be the correct solution
>>>> here, especially when ordering accesses to coherent memory.
>>>>
>>>> In practice, either the larger timing different from the DSB or the fact
>>>> that you're going from a Store->Store barrier to a full barrier is what
>>>> makes things "work" for you. Have you tried, for example, a DMB SY
>>>> (e.g. via __smb_mb()).
>>>>
>>>> We definitely shouldn't take changes like this without a proper
>>>> explanation of what is going on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments, Will.
>>>
>>> Yes, DMB should work for us. However, it seems this instruction has issues on
>>> NVidia's grace-hopper. It's hard for me to understand how DMB and DSB works
>>> from hardware level. I agree it's not the solution to replace DMB with DSB
>>> before we fully understand the root cause.
>>>
>>> I tried the possible replacement like below. __smp_mb() can avoid the issue like
>>> __mb() does. __ndelay(10) can avoid the issue, but __ndelay(9) doesn't.
>>>
>>> static inline int virtqueue_add_split(struct virtqueue *_vq, ...)
>>> {
>>> :
>>> /* Put entry in available array (but don't update avail->idx until they
>>> * do sync). */
>>> avail = vq->split.avail_idx_shadow & (vq->split.vring.num - 1);
>>> vq->split.vring.avail->ring[avail] = cpu_to_virtio16(_vq->vdev, head);
>>>
>>> /* Descriptors and available array need to be set before we expose the
>>> * new available array entries. */
>>> // Broken: virtio_wmb(vq->weak_barriers);
>>> // Broken: __dma_mb();
>>> // Work: __mb();
>>> // Work: __smp_mb();
>
> Did you try __smp_wmb ? And wmb?
>
virtio_wmb(false) is equivalent to __smb_wmb(), which is broken.
__wmb() works either. No issue found with it.
>>> // Work: __ndelay(100);
>>> // Work: __ndelay(10);
>>> // Broken: __ndelay(9);
>>>
>>> vq->split.avail_idx_shadow++;
>>> vq->split.vring.avail->idx = cpu_to_virtio16(_vq->vdev,
>>> vq->split.avail_idx_shadow);
>>
>> What if you stick __ndelay here?
>
> And keep virtio_wmb above?
>
The result has been shared through a separate reply.
>>
>>> vq->num_added++;
>>>
>>> pr_debug("Added buffer head %i to %p\n", head, vq);
>>> END_USE(vq);
>>> :
>>> }
>>>
>>> I also tried to measure the consumed time for various barrier-relative instructions using
>>> ktime_get_ns() which should have consumed most of the time. __smb_mb() is slower than
>>> __smp_wmb() but faster than __mb()
>>>
>>> Instruction Range of used time in ns
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> __smp_wmb() [32 1128032]
>>> __smp_mb() [32 1160096]
>>> __mb() [32 1162496]
>>>
Thanks,
Gavin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-19 6:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-14 7:49 Gavin Shan
2024-03-14 8:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-14 10:15 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-14 11:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-14 12:50 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-14 12:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-15 10:45 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-15 11:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-15 11:24 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-17 16:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-17 23:41 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-18 7:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-18 16:59 ` Will Deacon
2024-03-19 4:59 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-19 6:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 6:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 6:54 ` Gavin Shan [this message]
2024-03-19 7:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 7:41 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-19 8:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 6:38 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-19 6:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 6:49 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-19 7:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 8:08 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-19 8:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 18:22 ` Will Deacon
2024-03-19 23:56 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-20 0:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-20 5:24 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-20 7:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-25 7:34 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-26 7:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-26 9:38 ` Keir Fraser
2024-03-26 11:43 ` Will Deacon
2024-03-26 15:46 ` Will Deacon
2024-03-26 23:14 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-27 0:01 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-27 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-20 17:15 ` Keir Fraser
2024-03-21 12:06 ` Gavin Shan
2024-03-19 7:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19 18:21 ` Will Deacon
2024-03-19 6:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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