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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: "Logan Gunthorpe" <logang@deltatee.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/8] PCI: Add pci_find_common_upstream_dev()
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:44:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <73578b4e-664b-141c-3e1f-e1fae1e4db07@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e751cd28-f115-569f-5248-d24f30dee3cb@deltatee.com>

Am 28.03.2018 um 20:57 schrieb Logan Gunthorpe:
>
> On 28/03/18 12:28 PM, Christian König wrote:
>> I'm just using amdgpu as blueprint because I'm the co-maintainer of it
>> and know it mostly inside out.
> Ah, I see.
>
>> The resource addresses are translated using dma_map_resource(). As far
>> as I know that should be sufficient to offload all the architecture
>> specific stuff to the DMA subsystem.
> It's not. The dma_map infrastructure currently has no concept of
> peer-to-peer mappings and is designed for system memory only. No
> architecture I'm aware of will translate PCI CPU addresses into PCI Bus
> addresses which is necessary for any transfer that doesn't go through
> the root complex (though on arches like x86 the CPU and Bus address
> happen to be the same). There's a lot of people that would like to see
> this change but it's likely going to be a long road before it does.

Well, isn't that exactly what dma_map_resource() is good for? As far as 
I can see it makes sure IOMMU is aware of the access route and 
translates a CPU address into a PCI Bus address.

> Furthermore, one of the reasons our patch-set avoids going through the
> root complex at all is that IOMMU drivers will need to be made aware
> that it is operating on P2P memory and do arch-specific things
> accordingly. There will also need to be flags that indicate whether a
> given IOMMU driver supports this. None of this work is done or easy.

I'm using that with the AMD IOMMU driver and at least there it works 
perfectly fine.

>> Yeah, but not for ours. See if you want to do real peer 2 peer you need
>> to keep both the operation as well as the direction into account.
> Not sure what you are saying here... I'm pretty sure we are doing "real"
> peer 2 peer...
>
>> For example when you can do writes between A and B that doesn't mean
>> that writes between B and A work. And reads are generally less likely to
>> work than writes. etc...
> If both devices are behind a switch then the PCI spec guarantees that A
> can both read and write B and vice versa.

Sorry to say that, but I know a whole bunch of PCI devices which 
horrible ignores that.

For example all AMD APUs fall under that category...

> Only once you involve root
> complexes do you have this problem. Ie. you have unknown support which
> may be no support, or partial support (stores but not loads); or
> sometimes bad performance; or a combination of both... and you need some
> way to figure out all this mess and that is hard. Whoever tries to
> implement a white list will have to sort all this out.

Yes, exactly and unfortunately it looks like I'm the poor guy who needs 
to do this :)

Regards,
Christian.

>
> Logan
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-28 19:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-25 10:59 [PATCH 1/8] lib/scatterlist: add sg_set_dma_addr() helper Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 2/8] PCI: Add pci_find_common_upstream_dev() Christian König
2018-03-28 12:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-28 15:07     ` Christian König
2018-03-28 15:47       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 16:02         ` Christian König
2018-03-28 16:25           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 18:28             ` Christian König
2018-03-28 18:57               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 19:44                 ` Christian König [this message]
2018-03-28 19:53                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 11:44                     ` Christian König
2018-03-29 15:45                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 16:10                         ` Christian König
2018-03-29 16:25                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 18:15                             ` Christian König
2018-03-30  1:58                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30  6:33                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-30 15:25                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30 18:46                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-30 19:45                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:02                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 17:20                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:37                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 19:16                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:32                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 19:45                                             ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                     ` <CADnq5_P-z=Noos_jaME9_CERri3C-m2hPPvx2bArr36O=1FnrA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-03-29 14:37                       ` Alex Deucher
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 3/8] PCI: Add pci_peer_traffic_supported() Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag Christian König
2018-03-29  6:57   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-29 11:34     ` Christian König
2018-04-03  9:09       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-03 17:06         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-03 18:08           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-16 12:39             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-16 13:38               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-19  8:16                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20  7:13                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-20  8:58                     ` Christian König
2018-04-20 10:17                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 10:44                         ` Christian König
2018-04-20 12:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 15:21                             ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 18:48                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-24 19:32                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  5:48                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  6:10                                     ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:13                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:23                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:43                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:02                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:09                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:30                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:56                                                 ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  8:55                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:43                                               ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:41                                           ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  8:54                                             ` noveau vs arm dma ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  9:25                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 10:04                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 15:33                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 21:35                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 23:26                                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26  9:17                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:09                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:45                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26 11:12                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 22:54                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26  9:13                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:20                                                     ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:24                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:39                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:24                                       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:41                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 17:44                                           ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25 18:38                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-05-04 12:45                                             ` Lucas Stach
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 5/8] drm/amdgpu: print DMA-buf status in debugfs Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 6/8] drm/amdgpu: note that we can handle peer2peer DMA-buf Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 7/8] drm/amdgpu: add amdgpu_gem_attach Christian König
2018-03-25 11:00 ` [PATCH 8/8] drm/amdgpu: add support for exporting VRAM using DMA-buf Christian König
2018-03-28 12:37 ` [PATCH 1/8] lib/scatterlist: add sg_set_dma_addr() helper Christoph Hellwig

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