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From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>, John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: random(4) changes
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:56:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7735834.PWhNOHfhKX@positron.chronox.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160425173825.GB13997@two.firstfloor.org>

Am Montag, 25. April 2016, 10:38:25 schrieb Andi Kleen:

Hi Andi,

> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 07:25:55PM +0200, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> > Am Montag, 25. April 2016, 09:06:03 schrieb Andi Kleen:
> > 
> > Hi Andi,
> > 
> > > Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > There is also the third problem of horrible scalability of /dev/random
> > > output on larger systems, for which patches are getting ignored.
> > > 
> > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/2/10/716
> > > 
> > > Ignoring problems does not make them go away.
> > 
> > I have seen your patches, but I am not fully sure I understand the root
> > cause. is the noise source handling the issue or the random number
> > generation the issue?
> 
> Noise source handling is fine, the problem is the global locking on the
> entropy pools when generating random numbers.
> 
> > If it is the latter, can you explain where the scalability issue comes in?
> 
> A single pool which is locked/written to does not scale. Larger systems
> need multiple pools

That would imply that even when you have a system with 1000 CPUs, you want to 
have a large amount of random numbers. Is this the use case?

Or is simply the presence of 1000 CPUs an issue for "normal" loads on 
/dev/urandom?
> 
> -Andi


Ciao
Stephan

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-25 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-22 22:27 Sandy Harris
2016-04-23  7:52 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-24  2:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-24  8:03   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26  3:07     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-26 11:04       ` Herbert Xu
2016-04-26 20:47         ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-27  4:23           ` Herbert Xu
2016-04-26 18:24       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26 18:44       ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-26 18:55         ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26 19:41           ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-25 16:06 ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-25 17:25   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-25 17:38     ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-25 17:56       ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2016-04-25 19:35         ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-26 12:01           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-27 17:47           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26  1:00   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-26 12:42   ` Sandy Harris
     [not found] <5279345.Lo7T948V4W@positron.chronox.de>
2016-04-26 20:43 ` George Spelvin
2016-04-26 21:01   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-27  0:23     ` George Spelvin
2016-04-27 18:03       ` George Spelvin
2016-04-28 20:15       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29  7:29         ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29  8:02           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29  9:34             ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29  9:53               ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 11:04                 ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29 11:18                   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 18:02                     ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29 18:41                       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 20:08                         ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29 21:54                           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 22:32                             ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29  0:47       ` George Spelvin

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