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From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Cc: Joe Bob Spamtest <joebob@spamtest.viacore.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Pure 64 bootloaders
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:26:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7B6BBC6F-EB09-4B88-A8C8-C9DFB7348711@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050914132045.GS28551@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sep 14, 2005, at 09:20:45, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:44:55PM -0400, Kyle Moffett wrote:
>
>> PowerPC was designed 64-bit from the start too!  It's just that the
>> architecture design group also realized that there would be a demand
>> for 32-bit CPUs, and so from the _64-bit_ system, they designed a 32-
>> bit system whose entire instruction set would be forward-compatible
>> to 64-bit systems when they came out.  That's why 32-bit PowerPC
>> machine code and 64-bit PowerPC machine code are completely identical
>> except that 64-bit CPUs also have a few opcodes to process 64-bit
>> data and a few extra kernel-mode registers.
>
> Hmm, so how does that fit with needing both 32 and 64bit libraries  
> on a
> ppc system?  It seems apple forgot the 64bit part of a library  
> recently
> in a security fix, or is that something more to do with their os than
> the cpu?

Well, if you want to pass 64-bit pointer values to a library, the  
library needs to have functions that take 64-bit values and use 64- 
bit operations on them, just like all the other archs :-D.  It also  
needs 32-bit compatibility functions for the old 32-bit-only  
programs.  On the other
hand, if you don't care about compatibility with 32-bit-pointer  
programs, you can omit functions that deal with 32-bit pointers and  
require everything to use 64-bit pointers.  You still need stuff like  
atoi that uses 32-bit values, though, and 64-bit-only does have a  
performance penalty.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett

--
There is no way to make Linux robust with unreliable memory  
subsystems, sorry.  It would be like trying to make a human more  
robust with an unreliable O2 supply. Memory just has to work.
   -- Andi Kleen



  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-14 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-10  7:42 Jim Gifford
2005-09-10  7:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-10  8:01 ` David S. Miller
2005-09-11 16:33   ` Jim Gifford
2005-09-11 18:48     ` David S. Miller
2005-09-11 18:49     ` David S. Miller
2005-09-10  8:28 ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-10  8:39   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-10 16:34     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-09-10 18:15       ` David S. Miller
2005-09-12 21:32       ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-12 21:41         ` David S. Miller
2005-09-12 22:02           ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-12 22:12             ` David S. Miller
2005-09-12 23:09               ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-13 16:52                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-09-13 17:00                   ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-14  3:44                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-14 13:20                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-09-14 17:26                         ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2005-09-13 17:21                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-09-13 19:37                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-09-14  9:39                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-09-10 18:30     ` Harald Dunkel
2005-09-12 14:50       ` Roger Heflin
2005-09-13 17:14         ` Bastian Blank
2005-09-15  6:16         ` Harald Dunkel
2005-09-11 11:53   ` Stephen Frost
2005-09-11 14:14     ` Stefan Smietanowski

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