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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Cc: John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Schaufler, Casey" <casey.schaufler@intel.com>,
	LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKLM <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/18] LSM: Allow arbitrary LSM ordering
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:49:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84e1a5a8-8997-829f-cf09-1d29895a3f99@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180916003059.1046-17-keescook@chromium.org>

On 9/15/2018 5:30 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> To prepare for having a third type of LSM ("shared blob"), this implements
> dynamic handling of LSM ordering. The visible change here is that the
> "security=" boot commandline is now a comma-separated ordered list of
> all LSMs, not just the single "exclusive" LSM. This means that the
> "minor" LSMs can now be disabled at boot time by omitting them from the
> commandline. Additionally LSM ordering becomes entirely mutable for LSMs
> with LSM_ORDER_MUTABLE ("capability" is not mutable and is always enabled
> first).

Today if I have Yama enabled and use security=apparmor I get a
module list of capability,yama,apparmor. With this change I would
get a different result, capability,apparmor. I am personally OK with
this, but I think others may see it as a violation of compatibility.

One solution is to leave security= as is, not affecting "minor"
modules and only allowing specification of one major module, and adding
another boot option security.stack= that overrides a security= option
and that takes the list as you've implemented here.

An icky alternative would be to say that any security= specification
with no commas in it retains the old behavior. So
	security=apparmor
	security=apparmor,
would get you
	capability,yama,apparmor
	capability,apparmor
respectively.

Another option would be to require negation on the minor modules,
such as
	security=apparmor,-loadpin

I can't honestly say which I like least or best.




  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-16 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-16  0:30 [PATCH 00/18] LSM: Prepare for explict " Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 01/18] vmlinux.lds.h: Avoid copy/paste of security_init section Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 02/18] LSM: Rename .security_initcall section to .lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 03/18] LSM: Remove initcall tracing Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 04/18] LSM: Convert from initcall to struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 05/18] vmlinux.lds.h: Move LSM_TABLE into INIT_DATA Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 06/18] LSM: Convert security_initcall() into DEFINE_LSM() Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 07/18] LSM: Add minor LSM initialization loop Kees Cook
2018-09-16  1:27   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-16  1:49     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 08/18] integrity: Initialize as LSM_TYPE_MINOR Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 09/18] LSM: Record LSM name in struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 10/18] LSM: Plumb visibility into optional "enabled" state Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 11/18] LSM: Lift LSM selection out of individual LSMs Kees Cook
2018-09-16  1:32   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-16  1:47     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 12/18] LSM: Introduce ordering details in struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 13/18] LoadPin: Initialize as LSM_TYPE_MINOR Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 14/18] Yama: " Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 15/18] capability: " Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 16/18] LSM: Allow arbitrary LSM ordering Kees Cook
2018-09-16 18:49   ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2018-09-16 23:00     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17  0:46       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-17 15:06       ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 16:24         ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 17:13           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 18:14             ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 19:23               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 19:55                 ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 21:57                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 22:36                     ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 23:10                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-09-17 23:20                         ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 23:26                           ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 23:28                             ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 23:40                               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 23:30                           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 23:47                             ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-09-18  0:00                               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 23:25                         ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 23:25                       ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-18  0:00                       ` Kees Cook
2018-09-18  0:24                         ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-18  0:45                           ` Kees Cook
2018-09-18  0:57                             ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-18  0:59                               ` Kees Cook
2018-09-18  1:08                             ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 19:35               ` John Johansen
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 17/18] LSM: Provide init debugging Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 18/18] LSM: Don't ignore initialization failures Kees Cook

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