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From: John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Schaufler, Casey" <casey.schaufler@intel.com>,
	LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKLM <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/18] LSM: Allow arbitrary LSM ordering
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:25:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8a11b293-6094-0b5e-5e75-3a9709a2bd00@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a51a4d34-7077-bfbe-5979-00e79680f514@digikod.net>

On 09/17/2018 04:10 PM, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> 

<< snip >>

>>>>> If "lsm.enable=apparmor lsm.disable=apparmor" is specified the last value
>>>>> specified is used giving "lsm.disable=apparmor".
>>>>>
>>>> makes sense
>>>
>>> The rules for modification are pretty obvious. The downside is, as
>>> you point out, that they don't address ordering. Maybe we address that
>>> directly:
>>>
>>> 	lsm.order=*,tomoyo
>>>
>>> 		TOMOYO should be last.
>>>
>>> 	lsm.order=apparmor,*
>>>
>>> 		AppArmor should be first.
>>>
>>>
>>> 	lsm.order=*,sara,selinux,*
>>>
>>> 		SELinux should come directly after SARA but we otherwise don't care.
>>>
>>> 	lsm.order=smack,*,landlock,*
>>>
>>> 		Smack should be first and LandLock should come sometime later.
>>>
>>> 	lsm.order=*,yama,*
>>>
>>> 		Is meaningless.
>>>
>>> Modules not listed may go anywhere there is a "*" in the order.
>>> An lsm.order= without a "*" is an error, and ignored.
>>> If a module is specified in lsm.order but not built in it is ignored.
>>> If a module is specified but disabled it is ignored.
>>> The capability module goes first regardless.
>>>
>>
>> I don't mind using lsm.order if we must but really do not like the '*'
>> idea. It makes this way more complicated than it needs to be
>>
>>
> 
> Landlock, because it target unprivileged users, should only be called
> after all other major (access-control) LSMs. The admin or distro must
> not be able to change that order in any way. This constraint doesn't
> apply to current LSMs, though.
> 

And yet another complication :)

I don't know that we can enforce a strict only after all other LSMs. Imagine
the hypothetical case of 2 LSMs targeting unprivileged users. Which one
should be called first?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-17 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-16  0:30 [PATCH 00/18] LSM: Prepare for explict " Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 01/18] vmlinux.lds.h: Avoid copy/paste of security_init section Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 02/18] LSM: Rename .security_initcall section to .lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 03/18] LSM: Remove initcall tracing Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 04/18] LSM: Convert from initcall to struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 05/18] vmlinux.lds.h: Move LSM_TABLE into INIT_DATA Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 06/18] LSM: Convert security_initcall() into DEFINE_LSM() Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 07/18] LSM: Add minor LSM initialization loop Kees Cook
2018-09-16  1:27   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-16  1:49     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 08/18] integrity: Initialize as LSM_TYPE_MINOR Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 09/18] LSM: Record LSM name in struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 10/18] LSM: Plumb visibility into optional "enabled" state Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 11/18] LSM: Lift LSM selection out of individual LSMs Kees Cook
2018-09-16  1:32   ` Jann Horn
2018-09-16  1:47     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 12/18] LSM: Introduce ordering details in struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 13/18] LoadPin: Initialize as LSM_TYPE_MINOR Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 14/18] Yama: " Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 15/18] capability: " Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 16/18] LSM: Allow arbitrary LSM ordering Kees Cook
2018-09-16 18:49   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-16 23:00     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17  0:46       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-17 15:06       ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 16:24         ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 17:13           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 18:14             ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 19:23               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 19:55                 ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 21:57                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 22:36                     ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 23:10                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-09-17 23:20                         ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 23:26                           ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 23:28                             ` Kees Cook
2018-09-17 23:40                               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 23:30                           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 23:47                             ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-09-18  0:00                               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-17 23:25                         ` John Johansen [this message]
2018-09-17 23:25                       ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-18  0:00                       ` Kees Cook
2018-09-18  0:24                         ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-18  0:45                           ` Kees Cook
2018-09-18  0:57                             ` Casey Schaufler
2018-09-18  0:59                               ` Kees Cook
2018-09-18  1:08                             ` John Johansen
2018-09-17 19:35               ` John Johansen
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 17/18] LSM: Provide init debugging Kees Cook
2018-09-16  0:30 ` [PATCH 18/18] LSM: Don't ignore initialization failures Kees Cook

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