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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, linke li <lilinke99@qq.com>,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com, dave@stgolabs.net,
	frederic@kernel.org, jiangshanlai@gmail.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com, quic_neeraju@quicinc.com,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcutorture: Fix rcu_torture_pipe_update_one()/rcu_torture_writer() data race and concurrency bug
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 22:06:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <851dc594-d2ea-4050-b7c6-e33a1cddf3a1@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiX_zF5Mpt8kUm_LFQpYY-mshrXJPOe+wKNwiVhEUcU9g@mail.gmail.com>

On 2024-03-06 21:43, Linus Torvalds wrote:
[...]
> 
> Honestly, this all makes me think that we'd be *much* better off
> showing the real "handoff" with smp_store_release() and
> smp_load_acquire().

We've done something similar in liburcu (userspace code) to allow
Thread Sanitizer to understand the happens-before relationships
within the RCU implementations and lock-free data structures.

Moving to load-acquire/store-release (C11 model in our case)
allowed us to provide enough happens-before relationship for
Thread Sanitizer to understand what is happening under the
hood in liburcu and perform relevant race detection of user
code.

As far as the WRITE_ONCE(x, READ_ONCE(x) + 1) pattern
is concerned, the only valid use-case I can think of is
split counters or RCU implementations where there is a
single updater doing the increment, and one or more
concurrent reader threads that need to snapshot a
consistent value with READ_ONCE().

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-07  3:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-04 10:54 linke li
2024-03-04 16:19 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-04 17:14   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-04 19:10     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-04 19:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-04 20:13         ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-04 20:47           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-05  3:30             ` linke
2024-03-05  6:24   ` linke li
2024-03-06 15:37     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 17:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-06 18:01         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 18:09           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-06 18:20             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 18:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-06 18:55             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 19:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-06 19:27                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-06 19:47                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 20:06                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-07 13:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-07 16:12                         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 19:27                 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-06 19:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-06 20:20                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-07  2:29                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07  2:43                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-07  2:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-07  3:21                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07  3:06                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07  3:06                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-03-07  3:37                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07  5:44                             ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-07 19:05                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07 13:53                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-03-07 19:47                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07 19:53                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-03-08  0:58                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07 20:00                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-07 20:57                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-07 21:40                                     ` Julia Lawall
2024-03-07 22:09                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-08  0:55                                         ` Paul E. McKenney

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