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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	tytso@mit.edu, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] fs proc: make pagemap a privileged interface
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:16:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a8zgu8an.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5503089F.9000405@sr71.net> (Dave Hansen's message of "Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:56:15 -0700")

Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net> writes:

> On 03/12/2015 03:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 13:43:21 -0700 Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net> wrote:
>>> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
>>>
>>> Physical addresses are sensitive information.  There are
>>> existing, known exploits that are made easier if physical
>>> information is available.  Here is one example:
>>>
>>> 	http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~vpk/papers/ret2dir.sec14.pdf
>> Do we really need to disable pagemap entirely?  What happens if we just
>> obscure the addresses (ie: zero them)?
>
> I think we have 3 basic options:
>
> 1.  Disable it entirely (-EPERM or whatever).  Apps using it break
>     quickly and fairly obviously (diagnosable with an strace)
> 2.  Zero it, or return some nonsensical thing for the physical address
>     portion, but maintain exporting the PTE flags.  Apps only caring
>     about PTE flags work, but anything trying to do lookups in
>     /proc/kpageflags break.  If we zero it, apps pay get confused
>     thinking they have the _actual_ pfn=0.
> 3.  Scramble it in some way obscuring the physical address.  Unscramble
>     it upon access to /proc/kpageflags.
>
> I think you're suggesting (2).  Doesn't that risk silently breaking
> apps?

I think 3 where the scramble is something like AES crypto is likely to
scramble this well and still protect us from plain text attacks. 

>>> pagemap is also the kind of feature that could be used to escalate
>>> privileged from root in to the kernel.  It probably needs to be
>>> protected in the same way that /dev/mem or module loading is in
>>> cases where the kernel needs to be protected from root, thus the
>>> choice to use CAP_SYS_RAWIO.
>> 
>> Confused.  If you have root, you can do mount -o notparanoid.
>
> Good point.  I guess it doesn't protect us much here unless we also
> restrict the ability to remount.

And the ability to unmount... 

A write-once sysctl or a boot time only parameter is much more likely to
be useful in the scenario where you are concerned about root.

Eric


      reply	other threads:[~2015-03-13 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150309204321.AAF412E0@viggo.jf.intel.com>
2015-03-09 21:31 ` Kees Cook
     [not found] ` <20150309204322.50DA6B5D@viggo.jf.intel.com>
2015-03-09 21:32   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] proc: config options for making privileged /proc the default Kees Cook
2015-03-09 22:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] fs proc: make pagemap a privileged interface Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 22:22   ` Kees Cook
2015-03-09 23:08     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-09 23:40       ` Kees Cook
2015-03-09 23:43       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-10  0:03         ` Kees Cook
2015-03-10  2:51           ` Dave Hansen
2015-03-10  4:49             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-03-10  2:28       ` Dave Hansen
2015-03-12 22:35 ` Andrew Morton
2015-03-13 15:56   ` Dave Hansen
2015-03-13 17:16     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]

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