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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: "Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	"kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [BUG] futex: scheduling-while-atomic because nested vfork can break guard(private_hash)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 13:51:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87cxukypiz.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260911090447.GT788244@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Sep 11 2026 at 11:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

CC: +bigeasy

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 10:36:39AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 05:27:54PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
>
>> > Impact, related issues
>> > ==========
>> > futex_wait_multiple_setup() follows the same pattern of using
>> > guard(private_hash)(current->mm) to ensure that a later CLASS(hbr,
>> > hbr)(&q->key) won't sleep and is probably affected by the same issue.
>> > 
>> > __futex_unlock_pi() and requeue_pi_wake_futex() also use
>> > futex_private_hash(), but there the race seems benign.
>> > 
>> > This issue also means that different futex users could disagree about
>> > the hash bucket that a private futex belongs in (older futex_hash()
>> > calls returning a pointer into the global hash, newer futex_hash()
>> > calls returning a pointer into the private hash).
>> 
>> Right, that transition is not supposed to be possible. Notably a single
>> thread cannot have (private) futex waiters, and we allocate the private
>> hash on cloning the second thread.
>> 
>> > Sidenote
>> > ========
>> > Maybe we should block CLONE_VFORK when current->vfork_done!=NULL ? It
>> > is clearly bad to allow nested vfork() such that a SIGKILL can cause
>> > two threads to run concurrently on the same userspace stack.
>> > 
>> > But I'm not sure if that's a good fix for these futex issues - a fix
>> > that doesn't rely on such distant assumptions might be nicer...
>> 
>> So need_futex_hash_allocate_default() is explicitly excluding vfork from
>> causing a private hash to be allocated. Perhaps we should fix that.
>> 
>> I need more thinking (and wake-up juice) to see if that might perhaps
>> bring other problems with it.
>
> So I can confirm that the below does in fact cure your testcase.
>
> Per commit: ee9dce44362b ("futex: Drop CLONE_THREAD requirement for private default hash alloc")
> the reason for excluding vfork() was performance and thinking this
> would/could not matter, which you've proven to be clearly false.
>
> Thomas?

I don't remember why we excluded VFORK in the first place. Sebastian?

> ---
>  kernel/fork.c | 4 ++--
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/kernel/fork.c b/kernel/fork.c
> index 416758c8a3d4..bc32ea19099e 100644
> --- a/kernel/fork.c
> +++ b/kernel/fork.c
> @@ -1996,9 +1996,9 @@ static bool need_futex_hash_allocate_default(u64 clone_flags)
>  {
>  	/*
>  	 * Allocate a default futex hash for any sibling that will
> -	 * share the parent's mm, except vfork.
> +	 * share the parent's mm.
>  	 */
> -	return (clone_flags & (CLONE_VM | CLONE_VFORK)) == CLONE_VM;
> +	return clone_flags & CLONE_VM;
>  }
>  
>  /*

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-11 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-10 15:27 Jann Horn
2026-09-11  8:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11  9:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11 11:51     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-09-11 15:28       ` Jann Horn
2026-09-11 17:51         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2026-09-11 15:31   ` Jann Horn

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