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From: Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Robert Richter <rric@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	kan.liang@intel.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com, acme@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 18/20] perf: Allocate ring buffers for inherited per-task kernel events
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:44:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87egtx3o95.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141023123855.GC12706@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:

> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 04:45:46PM +0300, Alexander Shishkin wrote:
>> Normally, per-task events can't be inherited parents' ring buffers to
>> avoid multiple events contending for the same buffer. And since buffer
>> allocation is typically done by the userspace consumer, there is no
>> practical interface to allocate new buffers for inherited counters.
>> 
>> However, for kernel users we can allocate new buffers for inherited
>> events as soon as they are created (and also reap them on event
>> destruction). This pattern has a number of use cases, such as event
>> sample annotation and process core dump annotation.
>> 
>> When a new event is inherited from a per-task kernel event that has a
>> ring buffer, allocate a new buffer for this event so that data from the
>> child task is collected and can later be retrieved for sample annotation
>> or core dump inclusion. This ring buffer is released when the event is
>> freed, for example, when the child task exits.
>> 
>
> This causes a pinned memory explosion, not at all nice that.
>
> I think I see why and all, but it would be ever so good to not have to
> allocate so much memory.

Are there any controls we could use to limit such memory usage?
Theoretically, the buffers that we'd allocate for this are way smaller
than, for example, what we use if we try to capture a complete trace,
since we'd only be interested in the most recent trace data. We already
have RLIMIT_NPROC, which implicitly limits the number of these buffers,
for example. Or maybe we can introduce a new rlimit/sysctl/whatnot that
would limit the maximum amount of such memory per-cpu/system/user. What
do you think?

Per-cpu buffers with inheritance would solve this problem, but raises
other issues: we'd need sched_switch again to tell the traces apart and
since those buffers run in overwrite mode, a cpu hog task can
potentially overwrite any useful trace data.

Regards,
--
Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-24  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-13 13:45 [PATCH v5 00/20] perf: Add infrastructure and support for Intel PT Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 01/20] perf: Add data_{offset,size} to user_page Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 02/20] perf: Add AUX area to ring buffer for raw data streams Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 12:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-23  3:05     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 03/20] perf: Support high-order allocations for AUX space Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 04/20] perf: Add a capability for AUX_NO_SG pmus to do software double buffering Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 05/20] perf: Add a pmu capability for "exclusive" events Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 06/20] perf: Add AUX record Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 13:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 14:18     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 15:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 07/20] perf: Add api for pmus to write to AUX area Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 14:14     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 08/20] perf: Support overwrite mode for " Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 09/20] perf: Add wakeup watermark control to " Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 10/20] x86: Add Intel Processor Trace (INTEL_PT) cpu feature detection Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 11/20] x86: perf: Intel PT and LBR/BTS are mutually exclusive Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:47     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 12/20] x86: perf: intel_pt: Intel PT PMU driver Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 14:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:49     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-24 11:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24 12:01         ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 14:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:50     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-31 13:13     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-11-04 15:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-11-11 11:24         ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-11-11 13:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-11-11 14:17             ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:52     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 14:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  8:22     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-24 11:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24 12:13         ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-24 13:02           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24 13:18             ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-24 13:48               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 14:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 15:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-22 14:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:59     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 15:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:59     ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-22 15:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 13/20] x86: perf: intel_bts: Add BTS " Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 14/20] perf: add ITRACE_START record to indicate that tracing has started Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 15/20] perf: Add api to (de-)allocate AUX buffers for kernel counters Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 16/20] perf: Add a helper for looking up pmus by type Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 17/20] perf: Add infrastructure for using AUX data in perf samples Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 18/20] perf: Allocate ring buffers for inherited per-task kernel events Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-23 12:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24  7:44     ` Alexander Shishkin [this message]
2014-10-30  8:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-30 10:20         ` Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-30 13:31         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 19/20] perf: Allow AUX sampling for multiple events Alexander Shishkin
2014-10-13 13:45 ` [PATCH v5 20/20] perf: Allow AUX sampling of inherited events Alexander Shishkin

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