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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 untested] kvm: better MWAIT emulation for guests
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:34:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87f187de-64ef-22a2-7714-a811883bce02@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1489612895-12799-1-git-send-email-mst@redhat.com>



On 15/03/2017 22:22, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> Guests running Mac OS 5, 6, and 7 (Leopard through Lion) have a problem:
> unless explicitly provided with kernel command line argument
> "idlehalt=0" they'd implicitly assume MONITOR and MWAIT availability,
> without checking CPUID.
>
> We currently emulate that as a NOP but on VMX we can do better: let
> guest stop the CPU until timer, IPI or memory change.  CPU will be busy
> but that isn't any worse than a NOP emulation.
>
> Note that mwait within guests is not the same as on real hardware
> because halt causes an exit while mwait doesn't.  For this reason it
> might not be a good idea to use the regular MWAIT flag in CPUID to
> signal this capability.  Add a flag in the hypervisor leaf instead.

So imagine we had proper MWAIT emulation capabilities based on page 
faults. In that case, we could do something as fancy as

Treat MWAIT as pass-through by default

Have a per-vcpu monitor timer 10 times a second in the background that 
checks which instruction we're in

If we're in mwait for the last - say - 1 second, switch to emulated 
MWAIT, if $IP was in non-mwait within that time, reset counter.

Or instead maybe just reuse the adapter hlt logic?

Either way, with that we should be able to get super low latency IPIs 
running while still maintaining some sanity on systems which don't have 
dedicated CPUs for workloads.

And we wouldn't need guest modifications, which is a great plus. So 
older guests (and Windows?) could benefit from mwait as well.


Alex

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-27 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-15 21:22 Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-15 23:35 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-15 23:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 13:24     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 14:58         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 15:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 15:35           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:01             ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:47               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:22                 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 17:39                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:27                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 17:41                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 18:29                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 19:24                       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 19:27                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 20:17                           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 21:14                             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-17  2:03                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-17 13:23                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-21  3:22                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-21 16:58                                     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-21 17:29                                       ` Nadav Amit
2017-03-21 19:22                                         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-21 22:51                                           ` Gabriel Somlo
2017-03-22  0:02                                             ` Nadav Amit
2017-03-22 13:35                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-22 14:10                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-22 14:15                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 16:16             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 16:45               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 16:52                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 16:54                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 17:38                       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 14:08       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 15:44         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 15:54           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:26             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-21 16:16 ` Joerg Roedel
2017-03-21 18:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-27 13:34 ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2017-03-28 14:28   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-28 20:35     ` Jim Mattson
2017-03-29 12:11       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-03 10:04         ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 12:39           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-04 12:51             ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 13:13               ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-04 13:15                 ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 13:44                   ` Radim Krčmář

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