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From: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Jork Loeser <Jork.Loeser@microsoft.com>,
	KY Srinivasan <kys@microsoft.com>,
	Simon Xiao <sixiao@microsoft.com>,
	Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
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	"andy.shevchenko\@gmail.com" <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Use hypercall for remote TLB flush
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:23:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lgmqqwzl.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170810192742.GJ6524@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (Peter Zijlstra's message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:27:42 +0200")

Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:

> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 07:08:22PM +0000, Jork Loeser wrote:
>
>> > > Subject: Re: [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Use hypercall for remote TLB flush
>> 
>> > > Hold on.. if we don't IPI for TLB invalidation. What serializes our
>> > > software page table walkers like fast_gup() ?
>> > 
>> > Hypervisor may implement this functionality via an IPI.
>> > 
>> > K. Y
>> 
>> HvFlushVirtualAddressList() states:
>> This call guarantees that by the time control returns back to the
>> caller, the observable effects of all flushes on the specified virtual
>> processors have occurred.
>> 
>> HvFlushVirtualAddressListEx() refers to HvFlushVirtualAddressList() as adding sparse target VP lists.
>> 
>> Is this enough of a guarantee, or do you see other races?
>
> That's nowhere near enough. We need the remote CPU to have completed any
> guest IF section that was in progress at the time of the call.
>
> So if a host IPI can interrupt a guest while the guest has IF cleared,
> and we then process the host IPI -- clear the TLBs -- before resuming the
> guest, which still has IF cleared, we've got a problem.
>
> Because at that point, our software page-table walker, that relies on IF
> being clear to guarantee the page-tables exist, because it holds off the
> TLB invalidate and thereby the freeing of the pages, gets its pages
> ripped out from under it.

Oh, I see your concern. Hyper-V, however, is not the first x86
hypervisor trying to avoid IPIs on remote TLB flush, Xen does this
too. Briefly looking at xen_flush_tlb_others() I don't see anything
special, do we know how serialization is achieved there?

-- 
  Vitaly

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-11  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-02 16:09 [PATCH v10 0/9] Hyper-V: paravirtualized remote TLB flushing and hypercall improvements Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 1/9] x86/hyper-v: include hyperv/ only when CONFIG_HYPERV is set Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:37   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Include " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 2/9] x86/hyper-v: make hv_do_hypercall() inline Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:37   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Make " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 3/9] x86/hyper-v: fast hypercall implementation Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:37   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Introduce " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 4/9] hyper-v: use fast hypercall for HVCALL_SIGNAL_EVENT Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:38   ` [tip:x86/platform] hyper-v: Use " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 5/9] x86/hyper-v: implement rep hypercalls Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:38   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Implement " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 6/9] hyper-v: globalize vp_index Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:39   ` [tip:x86/platform] hyper-v: Globalize vp_index tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 7/9] x86/hyper-v: use hypercall for remote TLB flush Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:39   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Use " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 18:21   ` tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 18:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-10 18:59       ` KY Srinivasan
2017-08-10 19:08         ` Jork Loeser
2017-08-10 19:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11  1:15             ` Jork Loeser
2017-08-11  9:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 11:29                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-11 16:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-11 16:26                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-14 13:20                     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-16 16:42                       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-16 21:41                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-08-17  7:58                           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-11  9:23             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov [this message]
2017-08-11 10:56               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 11:05                 ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2017-08-11 12:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-16  0:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-08-11 12:22                 ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-11 12:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 12:46                     ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-11 12:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 13:07                         ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-11 13:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 8/9] x86/hyper-v: support extended CPU ranges for TLB flush hypercalls Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 20:01   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Support " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 9/9] tracing/hyper-v: trace hyperv_mmu_flush_tlb_others() Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 20:01   ` [tip:x86/platform] tracing/hyper-v: Trace hyperv_mmu_flush_tlb_others() tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 11:58 ` [PATCH v10 0/9] Hyper-V: paravirtualized remote TLB flushing and hypercall improvements Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 15:12   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-10 15:17     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-10 17:00   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 11:43 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 12:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-31 14:53     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 20:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-06  8:43 ` Wanpeng Li
2017-11-06  9:14   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-11-06  9:57     ` Wanpeng Li
2017-11-06 10:10       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-11-06 11:07         ` Wanpeng Li

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