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From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Cc: Jork Loeser <Jork.Loeser@microsoft.com>,
	KY Srinivasan <kys@microsoft.com>,
	Simon Xiao <sixiao@microsoft.com>,
	Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <sthemmin@microsoft.com>,
	"torvalds@linux-foundation.org" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"luto@kernel.org" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"andy.shevchenko@gmail.com" <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org" 
	<linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org>,
	boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Use hypercall for remote TLB flush
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:22:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b369bcb0-49e6-2f50-574e-4a66ced9e05d@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170811105625.hmdfnp3yh72zut33@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 11/08/17 12:56, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:23:10AM +0200, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
>> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 07:08:22PM +0000, Jork Loeser wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Use hypercall for remote TLB flush
>>>>
>>>>>> Hold on.. if we don't IPI for TLB invalidation. What serializes our
>>>>>> software page table walkers like fast_gup() ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hypervisor may implement this functionality via an IPI.
>>>>>
>>>>> K. Y
>>>>
>>>> HvFlushVirtualAddressList() states:
>>>> This call guarantees that by the time control returns back to the
>>>> caller, the observable effects of all flushes on the specified virtual
>>>> processors have occurred.
>>>>
>>>> HvFlushVirtualAddressListEx() refers to HvFlushVirtualAddressList() as adding sparse target VP lists.
>>>>
>>>> Is this enough of a guarantee, or do you see other races?
>>>
>>> That's nowhere near enough. We need the remote CPU to have completed any
>>> guest IF section that was in progress at the time of the call.
>>>
>>> So if a host IPI can interrupt a guest while the guest has IF cleared,
>>> and we then process the host IPI -- clear the TLBs -- before resuming the
>>> guest, which still has IF cleared, we've got a problem.
>>>
>>> Because at that point, our software page-table walker, that relies on IF
>>> being clear to guarantee the page-tables exist, because it holds off the
>>> TLB invalidate and thereby the freeing of the pages, gets its pages
>>> ripped out from under it.
>>
>> Oh, I see your concern. Hyper-V, however, is not the first x86
>> hypervisor trying to avoid IPIs on remote TLB flush, Xen does this
>> too. Briefly looking at xen_flush_tlb_others() I don't see anything
>> special, do we know how serialization is achieved there?
> 
> No idea on how Xen works, I always just hope it goes away :-) But lets
> ask some Xen folks.

Wait - the TLB can be cleared at any time, as Andrew was pointing out.
No cpu can rely on an address being accessible just because IF is being
cleared. All that matters is the existing and valid page table entry.

So clearing IF on a cpu isn't meant to secure the TLB from being
cleared, but just to avoid interrupts (as the name of the flag is
suggesting).

In the Xen case the hypervisor does the following:

- it checks whether any of the vcpus specified in the cpumask of the
  flush request is running on any physical cpu
- if any running vcpu is found an IPI will be sent to the physical cpu
  and the hypervisor will do the TLB flush there
- any vcpu addressed by the flush and not running will be flagged to
  flush its TLB when being scheduled the next time

This ensures no TLB entry to be flushed can be used after return of
xen_flush_tlb_others().


Juergen

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-11 12:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-02 16:09 [PATCH v10 0/9] Hyper-V: paravirtualized remote TLB flushing and hypercall improvements Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 1/9] x86/hyper-v: include hyperv/ only when CONFIG_HYPERV is set Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:37   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Include " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 2/9] x86/hyper-v: make hv_do_hypercall() inline Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:37   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Make " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 3/9] x86/hyper-v: fast hypercall implementation Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:37   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Introduce " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 4/9] hyper-v: use fast hypercall for HVCALL_SIGNAL_EVENT Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:38   ` [tip:x86/platform] hyper-v: Use " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 5/9] x86/hyper-v: implement rep hypercalls Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:38   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Implement " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 6/9] hyper-v: globalize vp_index Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:39   ` [tip:x86/platform] hyper-v: Globalize vp_index tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 7/9] x86/hyper-v: use hypercall for remote TLB flush Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:39   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Use " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 18:21   ` tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 18:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-10 18:59       ` KY Srinivasan
2017-08-10 19:08         ` Jork Loeser
2017-08-10 19:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11  1:15             ` Jork Loeser
2017-08-11  9:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 11:29                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-11 16:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-11 16:26                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-14 13:20                     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-16 16:42                       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-16 21:41                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-08-17  7:58                           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-11  9:23             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-11 10:56               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 11:05                 ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2017-08-11 12:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-16  0:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-08-11 12:22                 ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2017-08-11 12:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 12:46                     ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-11 12:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-11 13:07                         ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-11 13:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 8/9] x86/hyper-v: support extended CPU ranges for TLB flush hypercalls Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 20:01   ` [tip:x86/platform] x86/hyper-v: Support " tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-02 16:09 ` [PATCH v10 9/9] tracing/hyper-v: trace hyperv_mmu_flush_tlb_others() Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 20:01   ` [tip:x86/platform] tracing/hyper-v: Trace hyperv_mmu_flush_tlb_others() tip-bot for Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 11:58 ` [PATCH v10 0/9] Hyper-V: paravirtualized remote TLB flushing and hypercall improvements Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 15:12   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-10 15:17     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-10 16:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-10 17:00   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 11:43 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 12:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-31 14:53     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-08-31 20:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-06  8:43 ` Wanpeng Li
2017-11-06  9:14   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-11-06  9:57     ` Wanpeng Li
2017-11-06 10:10       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2017-11-06 11:07         ` Wanpeng Li

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