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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	jolsa@redhat.com, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	Ivan Delalande <colona@arista.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] signal: Always notice exiting tasks
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 21:58:51 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mun05og4.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190212165022.GA29263@redhat.com> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:50:23 +0100")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:

> On 02/12, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> > Here I was trying for the simple minimal change and I hit this landmine.
>> > Which leaves me with the question of what should be semantics of signal
>> > handling after exit.
>
> Yes, currently it is undefined. Even signal_pending() is random.
>
>> > I think from dim memory of previous conversations the desired semantics
>> > look like:
>> > a) Ignore all signal state except for SIGKILL.
>> > b) Letting SIGKILL wake up the process should be sufficient.
>
> signal_wake_up(true) to make fatal_signal_pending() == T, I think.
>
>> Oleg any ideas on how to make PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT reliably killable?
>
> My answer is very simple: PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT must not stop if the tracee was
> killed by the "real" SIGKILL (not by group_exit/etc), that is all. But this
> is another user-visible change, it can equally confuse, say, strace (albeit
> not too much iiuc).
>
> But this needs another discussion.

Yes.  Quite.

I will just point out that as described that logic will rebreak Ivan's
program.

>> diff --git a/kernel/signal.c b/kernel/signal.c
>> index 99fa8ff06fd9..a1f154dca73c 100644
>> --- a/kernel/signal.c
>> +++ b/kernel/signal.c
>> @@ -2544,6 +2544,9 @@ bool get_signal(struct ksignal *ksig)
>>                 }
>>
>>         fatal:
>> +               /* No more signals can be pending past this point */
>> +               sigdelset(&current->pending.signal, SIGKILL);
>
> Well, this is very confusing. In fact, this is not really correct. Say, we should
> not remove the pending SIGKILL if we are going to call do_coredump(). This is
> possible if ptrace_signal() was called, or after is_current_pgrp_orphaned() returns
> false.

I don't see bugs in it.  But it is certainly subtle and that is not what
is needed right now.

The subtlety is that we will never have a per thread SIGKILL pending
unless signal_group_exit is true.  So removing when it is not there is harmless.

>> +               clear_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_SIGPENDING);
>
> I don't understand this change, it looks irrelevant. Possibly makes sense, but
> this connects to "semantics of signal handling after exit".

As on the other the location is too subtle for the regression fix.

The primary motivation is that dequeue_signal calls recalc_sigpending.
And in the common case that will result clearing the TIF_SIGPENDING
which will result in signal_pending being false.

I have not found a location that cares enough to cause a misbehavior
if we don't clear TIF_SIGPENDING but it is a practical change and there
might be.  So if the word of the day is be very conservative and
avoid landminds I expect we need the clearing of TIF_SIGPENDING.

Hmm.  Probably using recalc_sigpending() now that I think about it.

> OK, we need a minimal incremental fix for now. I'd suggest to replace
>
> 	ksig->info.si_signo = signr = SIGKILL;
> 	if (signal_group_exit(signal))
> 		goto fatal;
>
> added by this patch with
>
> 	if (__fatal_signal_pending(current)) {
> 		ksig->info.si_signo = signr = SIGKILL;
> 		sigdelset(&current->pending.signal, SIGKILL);
> 		goto fatal;
> 	}
>
> __fatal_signal_pending() is cheaper and looks more understandable.


I definitely agree that it is much less likely to cause a problem
if we move all of the work before jumping to fatal.

The cost of both __fatal_signal_pending and signal_group_exit is just
a cache line read.  So not a big deal wither way.

On the other hand __fatal_signal_pending as currently implemented is
insanely subtle and arguably a bit confusing.  It tests for a SIGKILL in
the current pending sigset, to discover the signal group property of if
a process as started exiting.

In the long run we need our data structures not to be subtle and
tricky to use.  To do that we need a test of something in signal_struct
because it is a per signal group property.  Further we need to remove
the abuse of the per thread SIGKILL.

Since signal_group_exit always implies __fatal_signal_pending in this
case and the reverse.  I see no reason to use a function that requires
we maintain a huge amount of confusing and unnecessary machinery to keep
working.

All of that plus the signal_group_exit test has been tested and shown to
fix an ignored SIGKILL and the only practical problem is it doesn't do
one or two little things that dequeue_signal has done that made it
impossible to stop in PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT.

So for the regression fix let's just do the few little things that
dequeue_signal used to do.  That gives us a strong guarantee that
nothing else was missed.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-13  3:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-01 16:48 perf_event_open+clone = unkillable process Dmitry Vyukov
2019-02-01 17:06 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-02-02 18:30   ` Jiri Olsa
2019-02-03 15:21     ` Jiri Olsa
2019-02-04  9:27   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-04  9:38     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-02-04 17:38       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-05  3:00         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-05  4:27           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-05  6:07             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-05 15:26               ` [RFC][PATCH] signal: Store pending signal exit in tsk.jobctl not in tsk.pending Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-06 12:09                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-02-06 21:47                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-06 18:07                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-06 22:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-07  6:42                     ` [PATCH 0/2]: Fixing unkillable processes caused by SIGHUP timers Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-07  6:43                       ` [PATCH 1/2] signal: Always notice exiting tasks Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-11 14:13                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-12  0:42                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-12  8:18                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-12 16:50                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-13  3:58                                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2019-02-13  4:09                                 ` [PATCH] signal: Restore the stop PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-13 13:55                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-13 14:38                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-13 14:58                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-07  6:44                       ` [PATCH 2/2] signal: Better detection of synchronous signals Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-11 15:18                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-12  0:01                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-12 17:21                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-02-07 11:46                       ` [PATCH 0/2]: Fixing unkillable processes caused by SIGHUP timers Dmitry Vyukov

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