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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hyunwoo Kim <imv4bel@gmail.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [patch 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2026 09:50:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wlt05e8e.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ik4lauhx.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>

On Fri, Sep 04 2026 at 10:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com> writes:
>> Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org> writes:
>>
>>>  
>>> +static inline bool task_can_enqueue(struct k_itimer *timer, struct task_struct *p)
>>> +{
>>> +	if (likely(!(p->flags & PF_EXITING)))
>>> +		return true;
>>> +
>>> +	/* Allow TGID type unless the last thread is on the way out. */
>>> +	return clock_pid_type(timer->it_clock) == PIDTYPE_TGID && atomic_read(&p->signal->live);
>>
>> Couldn't this be?
>>
>> 	/* Allow TGID type unless the group is on the way out. */
>> 	return (clock_pid_type(timer->it_clock) == PIDTYPE_TGID) &&
>>         	!(p->signal->flags & SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT);
>>> +}
>>
>> I don't understand why we would want to re-arm a timer after it has
>> been decided the group is dying.
>>
>> Plush I really don't like the idea of p->signal->live spreading to more
>> places.  In the future that has the potential to complicate any changes
>> to the group_dead calculation.
>
> Hmm.
>
> Now that I think about it this could be:
>
> static inline bool task_can_enqueue(struct k_itimer *timer, struct task_struct *p)
> {
> 	/* Is the process exiting? */
> 	if (signal->flags & SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT)
>         	return false;
>
> 	/* Is the thread exiting? */
> 	if ((clock_pid_type(timer->it_clock) == PIDTYPE_PID) &&
> 	    (p->flags & PF_EXITING))
> 		return false;
>
> 	return true;
> }
>
> Unless I am missing something subtle with the parts of shutdown.  As
> there is a difference between starting the shutdown, and having reached
> do_exit.
>
> But unless there is some subtle reason to start a timer after some
> thread has called exit() or after a fatal signal has been received
> I suspect stopping as soon as SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT is set is a good idea.

I don't see a reason why that would be a problem. It puts the cutoff a
little bit earlier, but who cares. The task/process is going to exit no
matter what.

So the "observable" difference would be that a POSIX CPU timer which is
attached to the process by a different entity will stop firing a little
bit earlier. The resulting "fallout" is a purely academic problem IMO.

Thanks,

        tglx



  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-05  7:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-04 11:22 [patch 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:35   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-05  7:34     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05  7:50       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 11:22         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-04 12:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-04 15:47     ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-05  7:50       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-09-04 11:22 ` [patch 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner

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