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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>, Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>
Cc: Dmitry Safonov <dima@arista.com>, Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Y2038][time namespaces] Question regarding CLOCK_REALTIME support plans in Linux time namespaces
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2020 01:47:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2jej8mp.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7a4d7b14-1f0b-4c40-2bd1-2582d8b71868@redhat.com>

On Thu, Nov 05 2020 at 12:25, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> On 10/30/20 9:38 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> If kata grows up quickly perhaps this entire problem becomes solved, but until
> then I continue to have a testing need for a distinct CLOCK_REALTIME in a
> time namespace (and it need not be unconditional, if I have to engage magic
> then I'm happy to do that).

Conditional, that might be a way to go.

Would CONFIG_DEBUG_DISTORTED_CLOCK_REALTIME be a way to go? IOW,
something which is clearly in the debug section of the kernel which wont
get turned on by distros (*cough*) and comes with a description that any
bug reports against it vs. time correctness are going to be ignored.

> * Adding CLOCK_REALTIME to the kernel is a lot of work given the expected
>   guarantees for a local system.

Correct.

> * CLOCK_REALTIME is an expensive resource to maintain, even more expensive
>   than other resources where the kernel can balance their usage.

Correct.

> * On balance it would be better to use vm or vm+containers e.g. kata as a
>   solution to having CLOCK_REALTIME distinct in the container.

That'd be the optimal solution, but the above might be a middle ground.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-07  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-30 10:02 Lukasz Majewski
2020-10-30 13:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-30 15:43   ` Lukasz Majewski
2020-10-30 13:58 ` Cyril Hrubis
2020-10-30 14:02   ` Zack Weinberg
2020-10-30 15:10     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-30 16:58       ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-10-30 20:06         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-30 22:19           ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-10-31  1:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-03 12:43               ` Cyril Hrubis
2020-11-05 17:25               ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-11-07  0:47                 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2020-11-19 18:37                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-11-20  0:14                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-25 17:06                       ` Petr Špaček
2020-11-25 20:37                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-11-26  0:17                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-26  3:05                           ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-11-26  8:21                             ` Andreas Schwab
2020-11-14 10:25 ` Pavel Machek

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