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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: port lock: was: Re: [PATCH printk v1 11/18] printk: nobkl: Introduce printer threads
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 12:39:31 +0206	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zg72vo5g.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZEEMJxobFe_UZ8gV@alley>

On 2023-04-20, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>> OK, let's first define what the two locks are supposed to synchronize.
>> My understanding is that this patchset uses them the following way:
>> 
>>     + The new lock (atomic_state) is used to serialize emiting
>>       messages between different write contexts. It replaces
>>       the functionality of console_lock.

It replaces the functionality of console_lock, but operates at a finer
level. It is serializing all access to the hardware registers involved
in outputting. For the 8250 driver, this is the IER register.

>>       It is a per-console sleeping lock, allows voluntary and has
>>       hand-over using priorities and spinning with a timeout.

It is not a sleeping lock. It is used as a trylock or spinning with
timeout. It has the special feature that it can be handed over to or
stolen by another context with a higher ownership priority.

>>     + The port_lock is used to synchronize various operations
>>       of the console driver/device, like probe, init, exit,
>>       configuration update.
>> 
>>       It is typically a per-console driver/device spin lock.
>> 
>> 
>> I guess that we would want to keep both locks:

I agree because the port_lock has a much larger scope and is fully
preemptible under PREEMPT_RT.

> I forgot to check how these two locks are supposed to be used
> in write_atomic().
>
> It seems that cons_atomic_flush_con() takes only the new lock
> (atomic_state) and ignores the port_lock(). It should be safe
> against write_kthread(). But it is not safe against other
> operations with the console device that are synchronized
> only by the port_lock().

Yes, it is because the console drivers will also take the atomic_state
lock when needed. You can see this in the POC patch I posted [0].

For example, a new function serial8250_enter_unsafe() is used by the
serial drivers to mark the beginning of an unsafe section. To use this
function, the port_lock must be held. This function additionally takes
the atomic_state lock. Then the driver is allowed to touch hardware
registers related to outputting (IER).

But typically the driver will use a new higher level function, for
example serial8250_in_IER(), which will enter unsafe, read the register,
and exit unsafe. This provides the necessary synchronization against
write_atomic() (for the 8250 driver).

Please also remember that hostile takeovers of drivers in unsafe
sections are done as a last resort in panic, after all other nbcon
consoles have safely flushed their buffers. So we should not spend too
many brain cycles on "what if the atomic_state lock is stolen while in
an unsafe section" questions. The answer is: then you are in "hope and
pray" mode.

John

[0] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/877cv1geo4.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-20 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-02 19:56 [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 01/18] kdb: do not assume write() callback available John Ogness
2023-03-07 14:57   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-07 16:34   ` Doug Anderson
2023-03-09 10:52   ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:26     ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-09 11:30       ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 02/18] printk: Add NMI check to down_trylock_console_sem() John Ogness
2023-03-07 16:05   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 11:37     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 13:42       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 03/18] printk: Consolidate console deferred printing John Ogness
2023-03-08 13:15   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:05     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 15:15       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 04/18] printk: Add per-console suspended state John Ogness
2023-03-08 14:40   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:22     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14  9:56       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 05/18] printk: Add non-BKL console basic infrastructure John Ogness
2023-03-09 14:08   ` global states: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:29     ` John Ogness
2023-03-09 15:32   ` naming: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:04   ` union: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-27 16:28     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28  8:20       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28  9:42         ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 12:52           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 06/18] printk: nobkl: Add acquire/release logic John Ogness
2023-03-06  9:07   ` Dan Carpenter
2023-03-06  9:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-13 16:07   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 14:56     ` John Ogness
2023-03-20 16:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 17:34   ` simplify: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-21 15:36     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-02 18:39       ` John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 07/18] printk: nobkl: Add buffer management John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-23 13:38     ` John Ogness
2023-03-23 15:25       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 08/18] printk: nobkl: Add sequence handling John Ogness
2023-03-27 15:45   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 09/18] printk: nobkl: Add print state functions John Ogness
2023-03-29 13:58   ` buffer write race: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:33     ` John Ogness
2023-03-30 11:54       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:05   ` misc details: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 10/18] printk: nobkl: Add emit function and callback functions for atomic printing John Ogness
2023-03-03  0:19   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:55     ` John Ogness
2023-03-31 10:29   ` dropped handling: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-31 10:36   ` semantic: " Petr Mladek
     [not found]     ` <87edp29kvq.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
     [not found]       ` <ZCraqrkqFtsfLWuP@alley>
     [not found]         ` <87ilecsrvl.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
2023-04-04 14:09           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 11/18] printk: nobkl: Introduce printer threads John Ogness
2023-03-03  1:23   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:56     ` John Ogness
2023-04-05 10:48   ` boot console: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  8:09   ` wakeup synchronization: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  9:46   ` port lock: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-20  9:55     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-20 10:33       ` John Ogness [this message]
2023-04-20 13:33         ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-21 16:15           ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-06 13:19   ` misc: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 13:28   ` (k)thread: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 12/18] printk: nobkl: Add printer thread wakeups John Ogness
2023-04-12  9:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 13/18] printk: nobkl: Add write context storage for atomic writes John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 14/18] printk: nobkl: Provide functions for atomic write enforcement John Ogness
2023-04-12 14:53   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 15/18] printk: nobkl: Stop threads on shutdown/reboot John Ogness
2023-04-13  9:03   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 16/18] kernel/panic: Add atomic write enforcement to warn/panic John Ogness
2023-04-13 10:08   ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 12:13     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14 10:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 17/18] rcu: Add atomic write enforcement for rcu stalls John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:10   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 18/18] printk: Perform atomic flush in console_flush_on_panic() John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:20   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:58 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] serial: 8250: implement non-BKL console John Ogness
2023-03-28 13:33   ` locking API: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:57     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 15:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 21:47         ` John Ogness
2023-03-29  8:03           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:59   ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] POC: serial: 8250: implement nbcon console John Ogness
2023-03-09 10:55 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:14   ` John Ogness

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