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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v1 07/18] printk: nobkl: Add buffer management
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:25:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZBxvXDl34qdKnJ6o@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y1nna8po.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>

On Thu 2023-03-23 14:44:43, John Ogness wrote:
> On 2023-03-21, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> > The per-CPU buffer actually looks dangerous. It might
> > be used by more NOBKL consoles. How is the access synchronized
> > please? By console_list_lock? It is not obvious to me.
> 
> Each console has its own set of per-CPU buffers (con->pcpu_data).
> 
> > On the contrary, we might need 4 static buffers for the early
> > boot. For example, one atomic console might start printing
> > in the normal context. Second atomic console might use
> > the same static buffer in IRQ context. But the first console
> > will not realize it because it did not loose the per-CPU
> > atomic lock when the CPU handled the interrupt..
> > Or is this handled another way, please?
> 
> You are correct! Although I think 3 initdata static buffers should
> suffice. (2 if the system does not support NMI).

I am never completely sure about it. My undestanding is that softirq
might be proceed at the end if irq_exit():

  + irq_exit()
    + __irq_exit_rcu()
      + invoke_softirq()
	+ __do_softirq()

And I see local_irq_enable() in __do_softirq() before softirq actions
are proceed. It means that there might be 4 nested contexts:

   + task
   + softirq
   + irq
   + NMI

So we need 4 buffers (3 if the system does not support NMI).


> Your feedback points out that we are allocating a lot of extra memory
> for the rare case of a hostile takeover from another CPU when in
> panic. I suppose it would be enough to have a single dedicated panic
> buffer to use in this case.

Yup.

> With all that in mind, we would have 3 initdata early buffers, a single
> panic buffer, and per-console buffers. So the function would look
> something like this:
> 
> static __ref void cons_context_set_pbufs(struct cons_context *ctxt)
> {
> 	struct console *con = ctxt->console;
> 
> 	if (atomic_read(&panic_cpu) == smp_processor_id())
> 		ctxt->pbufs = &panic_ctxt_data.pbufs;
> 	else if (con->pbufs)
> 		ctxt->pbufs = con->pbufs;
> 	else
> 		ctxt->pbufs = &early_cons_ctxt_data[early_nbcon_nested].pbufs;
> }

Looks good.

> It should be enough to increment @early_nbcon_nested in cons_get_wctxt()
> and decrement it in a new cons_put_wctxt() that is called after
> cons_atomic_flush_con().

I still have to understand the logic related to
cons_atomic_flush_con() and early boot.


> Originally in tglx's design, hostile takeovers were allowed at any time,
> which requires the per-CPU data per console. His idea was that the
> policy about hostile takeovers should be implemented outside the nbcons
> framework. However, with this newly proposed change in order to avoid
> per-CPU buffers for every console, we are adding an implicit rule that
> hostile takeovers only occur at panic. Maybe it is ok to hard-code this
> particular policy. It would certainly save significant buffer space and
> I not sure if hostile takeovers make sense outside of a panic context.

I am not sure about the hostile takeovers as well. But they might be
potentially dangerous so I would allow them only in panic for a start.
And I would avoid the per-CPU buffers if we do not need them now.
We could always make it more complicated...

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-23 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-02 19:56 [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 01/18] kdb: do not assume write() callback available John Ogness
2023-03-07 14:57   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-07 16:34   ` Doug Anderson
2023-03-09 10:52   ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:26     ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-09 11:30       ` Daniel Thompson
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 02/18] printk: Add NMI check to down_trylock_console_sem() John Ogness
2023-03-07 16:05   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 11:37     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 13:42       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 03/18] printk: Consolidate console deferred printing John Ogness
2023-03-08 13:15   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:05     ` John Ogness
2023-04-13 15:15       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 04/18] printk: Add per-console suspended state John Ogness
2023-03-08 14:40   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:22     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14  9:56       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 05/18] printk: Add non-BKL console basic infrastructure John Ogness
2023-03-09 14:08   ` global states: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:29     ` John Ogness
2023-03-09 15:32   ` naming: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 13:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:04   ` union: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-27 16:28     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28  8:20       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28  9:42         ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 12:52           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 06/18] printk: nobkl: Add acquire/release logic John Ogness
2023-03-06  9:07   ` Dan Carpenter
2023-03-06  9:39     ` John Ogness
2023-03-13 16:07   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 14:56     ` John Ogness
2023-03-20 16:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-17 17:34   ` simplify: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-21 15:36     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-02 18:39       ` John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 07/18] printk: nobkl: Add buffer management John Ogness
2023-03-21 16:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-23 13:38     ` John Ogness
2023-03-23 15:25       ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 08/18] printk: nobkl: Add sequence handling John Ogness
2023-03-27 15:45   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 09/18] printk: nobkl: Add print state functions John Ogness
2023-03-29 13:58   ` buffer write race: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:33     ` John Ogness
2023-03-30 11:54       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-29 14:05   ` misc details: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 10/18] printk: nobkl: Add emit function and callback functions for atomic printing John Ogness
2023-03-03  0:19   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:55     ` John Ogness
2023-03-31 10:29   ` dropped handling: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-31 10:36   ` semantic: " Petr Mladek
     [not found]     ` <87edp29kvq.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
     [not found]       ` <ZCraqrkqFtsfLWuP@alley>
     [not found]         ` <87ilecsrvl.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
2023-04-04 14:09           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 11/18] printk: nobkl: Introduce printer threads John Ogness
2023-03-03  1:23   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-03 10:56     ` John Ogness
2023-04-05 10:48   ` boot console: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  8:09   ` wakeup synchronization: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-06  9:46   ` port lock: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-20  9:55     ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-20 10:33       ` John Ogness
2023-04-20 13:33         ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-21 16:15           ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-06 13:19   ` misc: " Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 13:28   ` (k)thread: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 12/18] printk: nobkl: Add printer thread wakeups John Ogness
2023-04-12  9:38   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 13/18] printk: nobkl: Add write context storage for atomic writes John Ogness
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 14/18] printk: nobkl: Provide functions for atomic write enforcement John Ogness
2023-04-12 14:53   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 15/18] printk: nobkl: Stop threads on shutdown/reboot John Ogness
2023-04-13  9:03   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 16/18] kernel/panic: Add atomic write enforcement to warn/panic John Ogness
2023-04-13 10:08   ` Petr Mladek
2023-04-13 12:13     ` John Ogness
2023-04-14 10:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 17/18] rcu: Add atomic write enforcement for rcu stalls John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:10   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:56 ` [PATCH printk v1 18/18] printk: Perform atomic flush in console_flush_on_panic() John Ogness
2023-04-13 12:20   ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-02 19:58 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] serial: 8250: implement non-BKL console John Ogness
2023-03-28 13:33   ` locking API: was: " Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:57     ` John Ogness
2023-03-28 15:10       ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 21:47         ` John Ogness
2023-03-29  8:03           ` Petr Mladek
2023-03-28 13:59   ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] POC: serial: 8250: implement nbcon console John Ogness
2023-03-09 10:55 ` [PATCH printk v1 00/18] threaded/atomic console support Daniel Thompson
2023-03-09 11:14   ` John Ogness

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