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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Javier Pello <devel@otheo.eu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] x86/mm/pae: Align up pteval_t, pmdval_t and pudval_t to avoid split locks
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 11:31:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ae52273-7b79-46b7-9cd5-2a0c401311c3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zg7GpY0_U_7yhe6P@google.com>

On 4/4/24 08:26, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> In other words, practically speaking this isn't about supporting a new hardware
> feature on 32-bit kernels, it's about preserving performance in real world
> scenarios when running 32-bit kernels on new hardware.

Realistically, most of the 32-bit kernels in the world are going to be
*OLD* distros, right?  Old CentOS/RHEL/SLES kernels from before the
kernel had split lock detection, or split lock fixes.  Those trip over
VMM split lock detection now, and presumably will forever.

I suspect new CentOS/RHEL/SLES kernels that have split lock detection
all happened after 32-bit support was dropped from those distros.

I think that basically leaves Debian.  Someone would need to:

 1. Make a *new* 32-bit Debian distro install (or one of the other
    less common distros that still do 32-bit)
 2. Run it on hardware with split lock detection
 3. On a VMM that enables split lock detection
 4. Stay close enough to mainline to get split lock fixes (like from
    this thread)
 5. Care about performance, despite *ACTIVELY* choosing a 32-bit distro
    on 64-bit hardware in 2024

Those steps are certainly possible.  I'm just not sure how much trouble
we want to go to in 2024 to support people that choose new 32-bit
distros and desire performance.  It feels to me to be approaching "I
want a pony" territory.

Or am I just lacking empathy today? :)

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-04 18:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-01 16:54 [PATCH 0/1] Split lock detected in kernel mode on x86-32 with PAE Javier Pello
2024-04-01 16:57 ` [PATCH 1/1] x86/mm/pae: Align up pteval_t, pmdval_t and pudval_t to avoid split locks Javier Pello
2024-04-01 17:56   ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-02 17:23     ` Javier Pello
2024-04-02 17:43       ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-03  7:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-03 11:08           ` Brian Gerst
2024-04-04  7:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-04 15:36               ` Brian Gerst
2024-04-04 16:29                 ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-03 15:54         ` Javier Pello
2024-04-03 15:58           ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-04 15:26             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-04 18:31               ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2024-04-04 21:55                 ` Sean Christopherson

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