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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Javier Pello <devel@otheo.eu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] x86/mm/pae: Align up pteval_t, pmdval_t and pudval_t to avoid split locks
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 08:26:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zg7GpY0_U_7yhe6P@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7db8d0a8-c668-44be-a348-58120a97fc2b@intel.com>

On Wed, Apr 03, 2024, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 4/3/24 08:54, Javier Pello wrote:
> > - The third way would be to disable split lock detection on x86-32.
> > This can be as simple as setting the default to "none" in
> > sld_state_setup(). Not the most elegant of solutions, but beats
> > having unresponsive tasks.
> > 
> > Would going for the first one be worth the trouble?
> 
> No, it's not worth it.  Let's just disable split lock detection on
> 32-bit and move on with life.

Please don't paper over the kernel flaw by disabling split lock detection.  As
Brian alluded to with his question:

 : What would happen if you ran a 32-bit VM on such hardware?  If the
 : split lock detection on the guest were disabled, would the host get
 : the fault instead?

running these kernels under a hypervisor that has enabled split-lock detection,
or Intel's newfangled BUS_LOCK_DETECTION VM-Exit, will result in silently
degraded performance for the guest kernel.  The split-lock will trap to the
hypervisor, which will likely throttle the vCPU to guard against a DoS attack,
e.g. under KVM, IIRC the default behavior for split-lock is to stall the task
for 10 _milliseconds_.

In other words, practically speaking this isn't about supporting a new hardware
feature on 32-bit kernels, it's about preserving performance in real world
scenarios when running 32-bit kernels on new hardware.  And that means keeping
split-lock detection enabled on 32-bit kernels is a good thing, as kernels bugs
that would cause hard-to-debug _customer_ issues when running 32-bit Linux in a
VM will show up as easy-to-debug splats when running 32-bit kernels on bare
metal.   I doubt there are many people that are still running 32-bit kernels on
bare metal, but any coverage we can get would be very nice to have.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-04 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-01 16:54 [PATCH 0/1] Split lock detected in kernel mode on x86-32 with PAE Javier Pello
2024-04-01 16:57 ` [PATCH 1/1] x86/mm/pae: Align up pteval_t, pmdval_t and pudval_t to avoid split locks Javier Pello
2024-04-01 17:56   ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-02 17:23     ` Javier Pello
2024-04-02 17:43       ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-03  7:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-03 11:08           ` Brian Gerst
2024-04-04  7:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-04 15:36               ` Brian Gerst
2024-04-04 16:29                 ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-03 15:54         ` Javier Pello
2024-04-03 15:58           ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-04 15:26             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-04-04 18:31               ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-04 21:55                 ` Sean Christopherson

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