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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Al Viro' <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: gus Gusenleitner Klaus <gus@keba.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"dsahern@kernel.org" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"kuba@kernel.org" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: AW: [PATCH] amd64: Fix csum_partial_copy_generic()
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 20:27:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8b3d330b4d624bf3b77c1197a6bf9538@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231019080615.GY800259@ZenIV>

From: Al Viro
> Sent: 19 October 2023 09:06
> 
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 09:39:45AM +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> 
> > I wonder if the csum_and_copy_...() helpers are really needed in modern days,
> > with much bigger cpu caches.

The L1 data caches aren't that big.
OTOH ethernet chips tend to do checksum offloading.
I do wonder if the extra complexity is worth it.

Which code paths is it used on?

ICMP can't possibly be common enough to make any difference.
It can't be used for TCP receive - the check has to be done earlier.
Plausibly TCP transmit - but the bytestream nature must make that hard.
It might be usable on UDP transmit - but they'll be small and
still in the L1 cache later on.
For UDP receive I guess deferring the checksum check until recv()
might save the date being loaded in the cache twice - but it doesn't
need to be done with the copy for typical short UDP.

> >
> > Maybe we could remove them and use more standard copy + standard
> > checksum over kernel buffers.
> 
> FWIW, the reason we don't hit that shit all the time is that on almost
> all paths all-zeroes block of data would be rejected anyway/could not
> happen.  Note that e.g. for ICMPv6 the csum includes the pseudo-header
> and there's no way for that to be all-zeroes, etc.
> 
> Whatever we do long-term (and I'd really like to get that mess dealt
> with properly - fuckup is definitely mine, and I should have checked
> the users of that stuff properly back then), I don't believe that
> it's doable this late in the cycle.

What is wrong with something akin to the original suggested patch?
So that the csum fragment function can never return zero.

For x86 the fastest code might be 'xor %eax,%eax; dec %eax'
to avoid the 32bit immediate constant.

	David

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-20 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-18  6:18 gus Gusenleitner Klaus
2023-10-18  7:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2023-10-18 15:12   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 15:42 ` Al Viro
2023-10-18 17:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-19  4:44   ` AW: " gus Gusenleitner Klaus
2023-10-19  5:02     ` Al Viro
2023-10-19  6:14       ` Al Viro
2023-10-19  6:39         ` Al Viro
2023-10-19  7:39           ` Eric Dumazet
2023-10-19  8:06             ` Al Viro
2023-10-20  8:32               ` Vincent Whitchurch
2023-10-20 20:27               ` David Laight [this message]
2023-10-21  7:15               ` Al Viro
2023-10-21 22:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-10-22 11:03                   ` David Laight
2023-10-22 11:11                     ` Al Viro
2023-10-23  8:16                       ` David Laight
2023-10-24  2:59                         ` Al Viro
2023-10-22 19:40                   ` [RFC][PATCH] fix csum_and_copy_..._user() idiocy. " Al Viro
2023-10-22 19:46                     ` Al Viro
2023-10-23 10:37                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-24  4:26                         ` Al Viro
2023-10-24 12:31                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-23 14:44                     ` David Laight
2023-10-24  3:53                       ` Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:21                     ` [RFC][PATCHES v2] checksum stuff Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                       ` [PATCH v2 01/18] make net/checksum.h self-contained Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 1/9] reiserfs: Avoid touching renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 02/18] get rid of asm/checksum.h includes outside of include/net/checksum.h and arch Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 2/9] ocfs2: Avoid touching renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 03/18] make net/checksum.h the sole user of asm/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 3/9] udf_rename(): only access the child content on cross-directory rename Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 4/9] ext2: Avoid reading renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 04/18] Fix the csum_and_copy_..._user() idiocy Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 05/18] bits missing from csum_and_copy_{from,to}_user() unexporting Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 5/9] ext4: don't access the source subdirectory content on same-directory rename Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 06/18] consolidate csum_tcpudp_magic(), take default variant into net/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 6/9] f2fs: Avoid reading renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 07/18] consolidate default ip_compute_csum() Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 7/9] rename(): fix the locking of subdirectories Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 08/18] alpha: pull asm-generic/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 8/9] kill lock_two_inodes() Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 09/18] mips: pull include of asm-generic/checksum.h out of #if Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 9/9] rename(): avoid a deadlock in the case of parents having no common ancestor Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 10/18] nios2: pull asm-generic/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 11/18] x86: merge csum_fold() for 32bit and 64bit Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 12/18] x86: merge ip_fast_csum() " Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 13/18] x86: merge csum_tcpudp_nofold() " Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 14/18] amd64: saner handling of odd address in csum_partial() Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 15/18] x86: optimized csum_add() is the same for 32bit and 64bit Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 16/18] x86: lift the extern for csum_partial() into checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 17/18] x86_64: move csum_ipv6_magic() from csum-wrappers_64.c to csum-partial_64.c Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 18/18] uml/x86: use normal x86 checksum.h Al Viro
2024-01-03 22:02                           ` Richard Weinberger
2023-12-05  2:27                       ` [RFC][PATCHES v2] checksum stuff Al Viro
2023-12-06 11:10                       ` David Laight
2023-12-06 22:43                         ` Al Viro
2023-12-07  9:58                           ` David Laight
2023-12-08 12:04                           ` David Laight
2023-12-08 14:17                             ` Al Viro
2023-12-08 15:29                               ` Al Viro
2023-12-08 15:56                               ` David Laight
2023-12-08 18:35                                 ` Al Viro
2023-10-19 11:45           ` AW: [PATCH] amd64: Fix csum_partial_copy_generic() Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-19 10:33     ` David Laight

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