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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Al Viro' <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"gus Gusenleitner Klaus" <gus@keba.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>, "bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"dsahern@kernel.org" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"kuba@kernel.org" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC][PATCHES v2] checksum stuff
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 15:56:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ce18effbe40c47bfb48f87e7ee4f8141@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231208141712.GA1674809@ZenIV>

From: Al Viro
> Sent: 08 December 2023 14:17
> 
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 12:04:24PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> > I've just read RFC 792 and done some experiments.
> > The kernel ICMP checksum code is just plain broken.
> >
> > RFC 792 is quite clear that the checksum is the 16-bit ones's
> > complement of the one's complement sum of the ICMP message
> > starting with the ICMP Type.
> >
> > The one's complement sum of 0xfffe and 0x0001 is zero (not the 0xffff
> 
> It is not.  FYI, N-bit one's complement sum is defined as
> 
> X + Y <= MAX_N_BIT ? X + Y : X + Y - MAX_N_BIT,
> 
> where MAX_N_BIT is 2^N - 1.

If that is true (I did bump into that RFC earlier) I can't help
feeling that someone has decided to call an 'adc sum' 1's compliment!
I've never used a computer with native 1's compliment integers
(only sign over-punch) so I'm not really sure what might be expected
to happen when you wrap from +MAXINT (+32767) to -MAXINT (-32767).

> You add them as natural numbers.  If there is no carry and result
> fits into N bits, that's it.  If there is carry, you add it to
> the lower N bits of sum.
> 
> Discussion of properties of that operation is present e.g. in
> RFC1071, titled "Computing the Internet Checksum".
> 
> May I politely suggest that some basic understanding of the
> arithmetics involved might be useful for this discussion?

Well 0x0000 is +0 and 0xffff is -0, mathematically they are (mostly)
equal.

Most code validating checksums just sums the buffer and expects 0xffff.

RFC 768 (UDP) aays:
If the computed  checksum  is zero,  it is transmitted  as all ones (the
equivalent  in one's complement  arithmetic).   An all zero  transmitted
checksum  value means that the transmitter  generated  no checksum  (for
debugging or for higher level protocols that don't care).

RFC 8200 (IPv6) makes the zero checksum illegal.

So those paths (at least) really need to initialise the chechsum to 1
and then increment after the invert.

I bet that ICMP response (with id == 0 and seq == 0) is the only
place it is possible to get an ip-checksum of a zero buffer.
So it will be pretty moot for copy+checksum with can return 0xffff
(or lots of other values) for an all-zero buffer.

In terms of copy+checksum returning an error, why not reduce the
32bit wcsum once (to 17 bits) and return -1 (or ~0u) on error?
Much simpler than your patch and it won't have the lurking problem
of the result being assigned to a 32bit variable.

	David

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-08 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-18  6:18 [PATCH] amd64: Fix csum_partial_copy_generic() gus Gusenleitner Klaus
2023-10-18  7:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2023-10-18 15:12   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 15:42 ` Al Viro
2023-10-18 17:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-19  4:44   ` AW: " gus Gusenleitner Klaus
2023-10-19  5:02     ` Al Viro
2023-10-19  6:14       ` Al Viro
2023-10-19  6:39         ` Al Viro
2023-10-19  7:39           ` Eric Dumazet
2023-10-19  8:06             ` Al Viro
2023-10-20  8:32               ` Vincent Whitchurch
2023-10-20 20:27               ` David Laight
2023-10-21  7:15               ` Al Viro
2023-10-21 22:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-10-22 11:03                   ` David Laight
2023-10-22 11:11                     ` Al Viro
2023-10-23  8:16                       ` David Laight
2023-10-24  2:59                         ` Al Viro
2023-10-22 19:40                   ` [RFC][PATCH] fix csum_and_copy_..._user() idiocy. " Al Viro
2023-10-22 19:46                     ` Al Viro
2023-10-23 10:37                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-24  4:26                         ` Al Viro
2023-10-24 12:31                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-23 14:44                     ` David Laight
2023-10-24  3:53                       ` Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:21                     ` [RFC][PATCHES v2] checksum stuff Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                       ` [PATCH v2 01/18] make net/checksum.h self-contained Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 1/9] reiserfs: Avoid touching renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 02/18] get rid of asm/checksum.h includes outside of include/net/checksum.h and arch Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 2/9] ocfs2: Avoid touching renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 03/18] make net/checksum.h the sole user of asm/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 3/9] udf_rename(): only access the child content on cross-directory rename Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 4/9] ext2: Avoid reading renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:23                         ` [PATCH v2 04/18] Fix the csum_and_copy_..._user() idiocy Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 05/18] bits missing from csum_and_copy_{from,to}_user() unexporting Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 5/9] ext4: don't access the source subdirectory content on same-directory rename Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 06/18] consolidate csum_tcpudp_magic(), take default variant into net/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 6/9] f2fs: Avoid reading renamed directory if parent does not change Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 07/18] consolidate default ip_compute_csum() Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 7/9] rename(): fix the locking of subdirectories Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 08/18] alpha: pull asm-generic/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 8/9] kill lock_two_inodes() Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 09/18] mips: pull include of asm-generic/checksum.h out of #if Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 9/9] rename(): avoid a deadlock in the case of parents having no common ancestor Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 10/18] nios2: pull asm-generic/checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 11/18] x86: merge csum_fold() for 32bit and 64bit Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 12/18] x86: merge ip_fast_csum() " Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 13/18] x86: merge csum_tcpudp_nofold() " Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 14/18] amd64: saner handling of odd address in csum_partial() Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 15/18] x86: optimized csum_add() is the same for 32bit and 64bit Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 16/18] x86: lift the extern for csum_partial() into checksum.h Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 17/18] x86_64: move csum_ipv6_magic() from csum-wrappers_64.c to csum-partial_64.c Al Viro
2023-12-05  2:24                         ` [PATCH v2 18/18] uml/x86: use normal x86 checksum.h Al Viro
2024-01-03 22:02                           ` Richard Weinberger
2023-12-05  2:27                       ` [RFC][PATCHES v2] checksum stuff Al Viro
2023-12-06 11:10                       ` David Laight
2023-12-06 22:43                         ` Al Viro
2023-12-07  9:58                           ` David Laight
2023-12-08 12:04                           ` David Laight
2023-12-08 14:17                             ` Al Viro
2023-12-08 15:29                               ` Al Viro
2023-12-08 15:56                               ` David Laight [this message]
2023-12-08 18:35                                 ` Al Viro
2023-10-19 11:45           ` AW: [PATCH] amd64: Fix csum_partial_copy_generic() Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-19 10:33     ` David Laight

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