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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: "Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/6] dma: swiotlb: Add an overridable architecture pool opt-out
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 14:04:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8c9c04ae-cba7-4096-a7d1-70b90a46c161@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260921063628.362078-6-aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>

On 21/09/2026 7:36 am, Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm) wrote:
> On x86, iommu=off historically prevented SWIOTLB initialization by not
> setting SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT. This overloads that flag: it
> controls both whether a pool is selected and where the pool is
> allocated. If another requirement, swiotlb=force selects a pool
> independently, omitting SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT may place it above
> the addressable range of devices which need bounce buffering.

Well then surely something is wrong with the design? If 
SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT is set then SWIOTLB still needs to respect 
it irrespective of any *additional* reasons for activating (either from 
arch code or internally). And conversely, if devices have addressing 
limits but SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT is *not* set, then the arch 
code has clearly gone wrong or made a bad assumption, but that doesn't 
seem like SWIOTLB's problem to worry about.

> Add SWIOTLB_INIT_FORCE_DISABLE to let an architecture opt out of normal
> pool initialization without discarding the pool placement constraints.
> 
> Unlike swiotlb_force_disable, which is set by swiotlb=noforce and
> unconditionally prevents pool initialization, the new flag is an
> architecture default. Explicit requirements such as memory encryption,
> architecture remapping, or swiotlb=force take precedence over it.

Logically, that should already be implied by the architecture passing no 
SWIOTLB_INIT flags.

Thanks,
Robin.

> iommu=soft retains SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT because it requests
> software bounce buffering for devices whose DMA masks cannot address all
> system memory. Such devices must be able to reach the bounce pool.
> 
> Clear both flags for Xen because Xen explicitly requires a remapped
> SWIOTLB pool and may allocate it anywhere in directly mapped memory.
> 
> With no override, iommu=off disables both hardware IOMMU translation and
> SWIOTLB bouncing. Direct DMA remains available; mappings outside a
> device's addressable range fail instead of being bounced.
> 
> Reviewed-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> Signed-off-by: Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm) <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>
> ---
>   arch/x86/kernel/pci-dma.c | 11 ++++++++---
>   include/linux/swiotlb.h   |  2 ++
>   kernel/dma/swiotlb.c      | 10 ++++++++--
>   3 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/pci-dma.c b/arch/x86/kernel/pci-dma.c
> index 0cff255827ba..ce257b20ea9c 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/pci-dma.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/pci-dma.c
> @@ -44,9 +44,13 @@ static unsigned int x86_swiotlb_flags;
>   static void __init pci_swiotlb_detect(void)
>   {
>   	/* don't initialize swiotlb if iommu=off (no_iommu=1) */
> -	if (!no_iommu && max_possible_pfn > MAX_DMA32_PFN) {
> -		x86_swiotlb_enable = true;
> +	if (no_iommu)
> +		x86_swiotlb_flags |= SWIOTLB_INIT_DEFAULT_OFF;
> +
> +	if (max_possible_pfn > MAX_DMA32_PFN) {
>   		x86_swiotlb_flags |= SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT;
> +		if (!no_iommu)
> +			x86_swiotlb_enable = true;
>   	}
>   
>   	/*
> @@ -84,7 +88,8 @@ static void __init pci_xen_swiotlb_init(void)
>   		return;
>   	x86_swiotlb_enable = true;
>   	/* Xen can use a SWIOTLB pool anywhere in directly mapped memory. */
> -	x86_swiotlb_flags &= ~SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT;
> +	x86_swiotlb_flags &= ~(SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT |
> +			       SWIOTLB_INIT_DEFAULT_OFF);
>   	x86_swiotlb_flags |= SWIOTLB_INIT_REMAP | SWIOTLB_ANY;
>   	swiotlb_init_remap(x86_swiotlb_flags, xen_swiotlb_fixup);
>   	dma_ops = &xen_swiotlb_dma_ops;
> diff --git a/include/linux/swiotlb.h b/include/linux/swiotlb.h
> index be3962a33fc6..466c33795db0 100644
> --- a/include/linux/swiotlb.h
> +++ b/include/linux/swiotlb.h
> @@ -20,6 +20,8 @@ struct scatterlist;
>   #define SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT	(1 << 2)
>   /* Initialize a default-sized pool that requires architecture remapping. */
>   #define SWIOTLB_INIT_REMAP		(1 << 3)
> +/* Do not initialize a pool unless SWIOTLB is explicitly required. */
> +#define SWIOTLB_INIT_DEFAULT_OFF		(1 << 4)
>   
>   /*
>    * Maximum allowable number of contiguous slabs to map,
> diff --git a/kernel/dma/swiotlb.c b/kernel/dma/swiotlb.c
> index c19675846fc1..46b789eb0806 100644
> --- a/kernel/dma/swiotlb.c
> +++ b/kernel/dma/swiotlb.c
> @@ -563,10 +563,16 @@ swiotlb_select_pool_policy(unsigned int flags)
>   	if (flags & SWIOTLB_INIT_REMAP)
>   		return SWIOTLB_POOL_DEFAULT;
>   
> -	if (flags & SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT)
> +	if (swiotlb_force_bounce)
>   		return SWIOTLB_POOL_DEFAULT;
>   
> -	if (swiotlb_force_bounce)
> +	/*
> +	 * Explicit requirements above override an architecture's default opt-out.
> +	 */
> +	if (flags & SWIOTLB_INIT_DEFAULT_OFF)
> +		return SWIOTLB_POOL_NONE;
> +
> +	if (flags & SWIOTLB_INIT_ADDRESSING_LIMIT)
>   		return SWIOTLB_POOL_DEFAULT;
>   
>   	if (swiotlb_kmalloc_needs_bounce())


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-23 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-21  6:36 [PATCH v5 0/6] dma: swiotlb: Centralize default pool policy and sizing Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-21  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] dma: swiotlb: Centralize default pool policy selection Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-21 15:25   ` Robin Murphy
2026-09-22  5:32     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-21  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] dma: swiotlb: Track whether the pool size was explicitly set Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-21 12:50   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-09-21 15:45   ` Robin Murphy
2026-09-22  5:42     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-21  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] dma: swiotlb: Centralize minimal pool sizing Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-21 12:52   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-09-21 16:49   ` Robin Murphy
2026-09-22  6:56     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-21  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] dma: swiotlb: Centralize memory-encryption " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-23 12:47   ` Robin Murphy
2026-09-23 14:28     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-21  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] dma: swiotlb: Add an overridable architecture pool opt-out Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-23 13:04   ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2026-09-23 14:18     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-21  6:36 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] dma: swiotlb: Remove SWIOTLB_ANY Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-23 13:12   ` Robin Murphy

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